Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

[JulieYBM]

Even if Dragon Ball did have a 'canon' ala Star Trek there's no reason to ignore the other official products, like GT or whatever. Even Evolution, which God knows I detest, should be given the fair shake that the comic, movies, TV series', and video games get.

[Nex Carnifex]

Also if you look at the definition of canon it gives the example of Shakespeare and how his canon is only his original stories, wouldn't that make the manga the official db canon?

No, because that's only one example. "Official canon" can vary significantly between authors and franchises depending on what the people in charge want. Paramount, for instance, maintains that Star Trek's official canon is "anything that happens on screen and nothing more." There's no easy to to work out what an official canon contains because it can literally be whatever the people in charge say, and since no one's given any official word on Dragon Ball's canon, it has none.

Well then according to the 'Toriyama' canon the only official canon is his original story and manga, then pretty much everything from GT to Dragon Ball Multiverse is equally canon/non-canon.

[Nex Carnifex]

Even if Dragon Ball did have a 'canon' ala Star Trek there's no reason to ignore the other official products, like GT or whatever. Even Evolution, which God knows I detest, should be given the fair shake that the comic, movies, TV series', and video games get.

Yeah I totally agree just I feel the source material should come first, that goes for pictures and design to feats and storyline.

[AgitoZ]

Well then according to the 'Toriyama' canon the only official canon is his original story and manga, then pretty much everything from GT to Dragon Ball Multiverse is equally canon/non-canon.

Quick question, what the hell is the "Toriyama" canon? Have you missed the parts where everyone is saying there is no official canon.

P.S. You don't have to double post. You can include more than one quote in a post.

See?

[Nex Carnifex]

Well then according to the 'Toriyama' canon the only official canon is his original story and manga, then pretty much everything from GT to Dragon Ball Multiverse is equally canon/non-canon.

Quick question, what the hell is the "Toriyama" canon? Have you missed the parts where everyone is saying there is no official canon.

P.S. You don't have to double post. You can include more than one quote in a post.

See?

Well there is a Shakespeare canon which is his genuine works so the Toriyama canon would be his genuine works according to the definition...

But whatever this is discussion will go nowhere lets just say source material, I just hope the wiki focuses on putting source material information first instead of mixing it with everything else or being inconsistent in terms of what it puts first.

[desirecampbell]

Even if Dragon Ball did have a 'canon' ala Star Trek there's no reason to ignore the other official products, like GT or whatever. Even Evolution, which God knows I detest, should be given the fair shake that the comic, movies, TV series', and video games get.

Exactly this. The purpose of the wiki isn't to make sense of continuity problems or try and wrangle any kind of "canon" from disparate Dragon Ball sources; the point is simply to have all the information.

[Hellspawn28]

Well then according to the 'Toriyama' canon the only official canon is his original story and manga, then pretty much everything from GT to Dragon Ball Multiverse is equally canon/non-canon.

Quick question, what the hell is the "Toriyama" canon? Have you missed the parts where everyone is saying there is no official canon.

While their is no official canon, fans just assume that the manga is the only canon because it was written by Toriyama. AT didn't write the anime, the movies, GT or Dragon Ball Online. Not to mention the anime is a adaptation of the manga, no different what Marvel movies are to the comics or the Harry Potter films are to the books.

[VegettoEX]

Marvel movies are adaptations of comics that have multiple authors, multiple artists, spin-offs, constantly changing/evolving/retconned story lines, etc.

Harry Potter has author statements and interviews regarding character relationships and in-universe back-history that were never present in the original books that have canonicity discussions/arguments.

[laserkid]

Just to throw my two cents into this - the entire point of doing a wiki is to have multiple people working on it. If to you, the priority is manga, write about the manga - but there's no reason that needs to be EVERYONE's priority. My priority will probably be really old famicom/super famicom games because outside of the old Superpope website, there's not a lot of info out there on it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The Dragon Ball universe is best realized from the source material, everything else is elaborate fan fiction for money.

So the manga wasn't created for money? EVERYTHING that has Dragon Ball on it is created for money, it's not like Toriyama did it only because he likes drawing. He was poor and got rich from that.

[AgitoZ]

He was poor and got rich from that.

From Dragon Ball? Maybe Dr. Slump, but by DB he was doing quite alright.

[Nex Carnifex]

The Dragon Ball universe is best realized from the source material, everything else is elaborate fan fiction for money.

So the manga wasn't created for money? EVERYTHING that has Dragon Ball on it is created for money, it's not like Toriyama did it only because he likes drawing. He was poor and got rich from that.

No I know that lol, I'm just saying everything else is just other people making stories based on Toriyama's story, the only difference between stuff like GT/movies and fan fiction is they are getting paid.

[orangebrick94]

I can't wait for the Kanzenshuu Wiki. It's gonna blow the original out of the water. It will be also the first wiki where the facts are correct. Nice to know that some dedicated awesome DragonBall fans are going through with it.

[Nex Carnifex]

Oh this couldn't come any sooner, the people at the current wiki all insist Toriyama wrote GT. :I

[DNA]

Just to add another tidbit to the discussion, every Marvel movie belongs in Marvel's metaverse and it has a number like every other one, for example, they main one is Earth-616. That being said, as you can see, every franchise accepts other works differently in terms of canon.

In the other discussion, I've been getting information for obscure Dragon Ball related things, already got some prepared for Neko Majin, Raudo and Onyu Tokusentai. Amongst other things.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Raudo

What's that?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The romanization for "loud" in Japanese and possibly the race of Gure or some of the other aliens from Toriyama's works that have designs like hers.

The name should probably be changed to Loudians or something because using "raudo" is like the equivalent of using "torunkusu" instead of Trunks...but I probably shouldn't be one to talk, since I prefer Bebi over Baby.

[DNA]

I did make a topic about them and you didn't post this info there, but sure! Loudians it is!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well, I just didn't think about it. lol "Raudo" isn't wrong per say, but since it's a romanization with a direct translation, it's just kind of pointless like in the Trunks example. Like I did say in the topic though, the original Japanese Wikipedia page is no longer there. All we are left with is Herms' translation, but even that can only be as accurate as the source. He dd say that "raudo" was likely to be a "loud" pun, but I guess there is also a possibility that it's based off something else or some sort of anagram. I don't know. just figured since it's a similar situation to "Toruankusu" and "'Seru" we might as well just take that final step, but most of us don't translate Majin...though that's not exactly the same thing.

Anyway, I was really only answering the question in full. The second comment was really more of an out-loud observation that a direct statement to anyone. I have such a small understanding of the language that I could be very wrong and shouldn't even be talking. lol

[Nex Carnifex]

Literally we need to hold this wiki to the highest standards, or its just going to be pointless like the current Dragon Ball wiki. We need strict rules on content, images, etc.