How powerful would have Gokhan been compared to Vegito?

[mysticboy]

Gokhan would be far more powerful than Vegito.

[Piccolo Daimao]

In Freeza's case he arguably didn't need to transform to his third form either. He was already beating Piccolo when he did so.

No, he wasn't. Before Freeza stopped holding back, Piccolo was fighting more than evenly with Freeza. But then Freeza started fighting more seriously and only briefly beat down Piccolo because he was still wearing his weights. But then Piccolo took them off and revealed that he'd been holding back too, to which Freeza responded by transforming and subsequently overpowering him.

Yeah, that wouldn't do shit. The same weights Piccolo had when he went to Kaio's at ~3,000-3,500 aren't going to make as much of a difference at over 1,000,000. He got smashedby Freeza once Freeza powered up, removing his weights wouldn't have done jack at that stage.

Did you not read my post (or just interpret that part really wrong)? Piccolo had been holding back, regardless of whether or not you think the weights made a difference, and was confident that he could beat Freeza, who was surprised and decided to transform in order to gain the advantage.

If anything, Piccolo was stronger than Freeza before he transformed. End of story.

[Saiga]

Did you not read my post (or just interpret that part really wrong)? Piccolo had been holding back, regardless of whether or not you think the weights made a difference, and was confident that he could beat Freeza, who was surprised and decided to transform in order to gain the advantage.

If anything, Piccolo was stronger than Freeza before he transformed. End of story.

If anything? Nothing is shown that would definitely say Piccolo is stronger. It's certainly too early to call "end of story" on such sketchy evidence. I read your entire posts and it seems that Piccolo felt removing his weights would make a difference, which is silly. All he says is that he'll get serious, which doesn't mean he has any power in reserve, it could just mean he didn't need to take things seriously before because he easily had the advantage before Freeza started to pummel him.

[Darkprince410]

Daimao, I hate to throw a chink in your argument, but you do have to remember that when Rou Kaioushin said that Gohan and Goku's fusion probably wouldn't even need to transform in order to beat Buu, it was Gotenks Buu he was comparing it to, not the more powerful Gohan Buu that Vegetto fought.

However, I feel that given just how powerful Gohan was, that the fusion, if it follows the same "like multiplication" rules that was suggested for Vegetto, that the strength of the fusion, even in its base form, would be comparable to Ssj Vegetto, if not stronger.

[hleV]

Daimao, I hate to throw a chink in your argument, but you do have to remember that when Rou Kaioushin said that Gohan and Goku's fusion probably wouldn't even need to transform in order to beat Buu, it was Gotenks Buu he was comparing it to, not the more powerful Gohan Buu that Vegetto fought.

Gohan-Boo wasn't much more powerful than Gotenks-Boo to take it into consideration, since Gotenks defused inside Boo, and Gohan was only slightly stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

[Saiga]

Daimao, I hate to throw a chink in your argument, but you do have to remember that when Rou Kaioushin said that Gohan and Goku's fusion probably wouldn't even need to transform in order to beat Buu, it was Gotenks Buu he was comparing it to, not the more powerful Gohan Buu that Vegetto fought.

Gohan-Boo wasn't much more powerful than Gotenks-Boo to take it into consideration, since Gotenks defused inside Boo, and Gohan was only slightly stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

He was more than only slightly stronger. SS3 Gotenks was "about even" with Evil Boo and Gohan completely dominated Evil Boo.

[hleV]

SS3 Gotenks was "about even" with Evil Boo

I totally disagree on that.

[Saiga]

SS3 Gotenks was "about even" with Evil Boo

I totally disagree on that.

I say about even as in he has only a slight advantage over Boo. When he got serious, he was winning, but not overwhelmingly so like Gohan was.

[hleV]

SS3 Gotenks was "about even" with Evil Boo

I totally disagree on that.

I say about even as in he has only a slight advantage over Boo. When he got serious, he was winning, but not overwhelmingly so like Gohan was.

Gohan was serious to begin with. Once Boo asked the kids to fuse again, they were very confident. Even Gohan himself actually let them fuse and fight Boo. Also:

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”

SSJ3 Gotenks was owning Boo, just that he didn't punch hard enough to prevent Boo from regenerating.

[Saiga]

Gohan was serious to begin with. Once Boo asked the kids to fuse again, they were very confident. Even Gohan himself actually let them fuse and fight Boo. Also:

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”

SSJ3 Gotenks was owning Boo, just that he didn't punch hard enough to prevent Boo from regenerating.

Gohan didn't want the boys to fuse against Boo, they just didn't listen. And it doesn't matter that Gohan was serious from the beginning, because we still see how both of them stack up against Boo when they're serious. Gohan utterly demolished him, and completely amazed Piccolo and the boys.

Trunks' statement doesn't mean shit because he's an arrogant little turd who exaggerates Gotenks' power every opportunity he gets. I see Gotenks and Evil Boo being on the same tier with Gotenks being superior, while Gohan is another level above that.

[Fox666]

Gohan was serious to begin with. Once Boo asked the kids to fuse again, they were very confident. Even Gohan himself actually let them fuse and fight Boo. Also:

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P7.4-5
Context: after Boo disappears
Trunks: “Even if he really is still alive, it doesn’t matter! That jerk was helpless against Gohan! [Gohan] was about as strong as our Super Gotenks!”
Goten: “He was even stronger.”
Trunks: “Really? …Yeah…Just a little bit.”

SSJ3 Gotenks was owning Boo, just that he didn't punch hard enough to prevent Boo from regenerating.

That's the point of view of the kids. But after Boo absorbed Gotenks and explained to Gohan his plan, it seems that according to him Gohan was the only one to suprass him.

So it seems that both Gotenks and Boo are confident in their superiority. But it's quite interesting to note that Boo actually recognized Gotenks' potential and at the point he had Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed, so he might know Gotenks' power better than Gotenks himself. Of course that could just be Majin Boo inner stupidity.

[Saiga]

That's the point of view of the kids. But after Boo absorbed Gotenks and explained to Gohan his plan, it seems that according to him Gohan was the only one to suprass him.

So it seems that both Gotenks and Boo are confident in their superiority. But it's quite interesting to note that Boo actually recognized Gotenks' potential and at the point he had Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed, so he might know Gotenks' power better than Gotenks himself. Of course that could just be Majin Boo inner stupidity.

This is why I think that Gotenks and Boo are roughly in the same tier, even if Gotenks is stronger. Gohan was on a completely different level to either of them.

[hleV]

Evil Boo doesn't have strong enough fighters absorbed to be on par with SSJ3 Gotenks. Evil Boo is Pure Boo + Dai Kaioshin + South Kaioshin at best, while SSJ3 Gotenks is at least a few times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (who's on par with Pure Boo).

[Fox666]

Your agument is based on false premises. You assume you know how strong South or Dai Kaioshin are. You assume Majin Boo absorption is the sum of the parts, which has never been stated in the series, but rather the little we know indicate the very opposite. And most important, there is no reason to think that Evil Boo should be equal to the parts of Innocent Boo.

[hleV]

You assume you know how strong South or Dai Kaioshin are.

No I don't. I just know that no matter how strong they are, Gotenks' superiority to Goku (and thus Pure Boo) is more than enough to obliterate Evil Boo, who at best is as strong as Pure Boo + Dai Kaioshin + South Kaioshin. And even that's unlikely, because apparently Boo only tapped into the max Kaioshins' power when he became bulky.

You assume Majin Boo absorption is the sum of the parts, which has never been stated in the series, but rather the little we know indicate the very opposite.

For me it's way easier to accept Gotenks being quite a lot stronger than Evil Boo than Boo's absorbtions working as something greater than a sum of his and absorbees' powers. Again, the kids were very confident in beating the crap out of Boo as SSJ3 Gotenks. I take it as an implication that Gotenks is quite a lot stronger than Evil Boo, just like Gohan. Knowing Gotenks' attitude, it's more than likely that he didn't give it all in the first (and only) round.

[Fox666]

The kids were very confident in beating the crap out of Boo as Gotenks without transforming in Super Saiyan at all. I really wouldn't trust their judgement.

[Saiga]

I really don't think you can use SS3 Gotenks' superiority to SS3 Goku as proof he'd be too much for Super Boo, as Super Boo is also superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared of fighting him, so I think Evil Boo must be more than just "Pure Boo + South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin".

[Fox666]

But South Kaioshin-absorbed Pure Boo alone is superior to Evil Boo.

Besides, in general Evil Boo power has little to do with the two Kaioshins outside of fan theories. He is just the evil side of Innocent Boo with the good side absorbed.

[DBZAOTA482]

I believe he would be stronger than Vegito but less swagged.

[Super Vegetto]

Its stated Base Gokhan > Buutenks (who is not far from Buuhan)
Its stated Vegetto doesnt nead SSJ3 (full power) to beat Buuhan.
Its stated that its because of rival boost.
Its stated by Kibitoshin that he didnt belive SSJ would be enough because its Gohan >>>>> Vegeta.
Its stated SSJ is (rival boost) which is enough.
Base Gokhan = SSJ Vegetto > SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ Gogeta.
Its Potara > Fusion. So from now on i am staying on this even if i cant confirm it like everybody else...

Overall Vegetto doesnt stand a chance because i belive rival boost is ssj boost which was enough to fill the power Goku and Gohan would have.