Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu saga

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Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu saga

Post by KingofWisdom » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:18 pm

"I asked Sabat if they ever thought about finishing DBZ Kai on their own, without Japan's help. He & Justin Cook have talked about it! But unfortunately sales for Kai haven't been great. If anything, it's boosted sales of the orange brick box sets instead."

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Wish Sabat's and Cook's exact words were documented, but it gets the point across. Oh well.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:57 am

KingofWisdom wrote:"...unfortunately sales for Kai haven't been great. If anything, it's boosted sales of the orange brick box sets instead."
I never did and never will expect FUNimation to fund a Boo-arc Kai, but the idea that Kai is doing so poorly that it actually may have boosted the sales for the orange bricks is just... wow...
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by penguintruth » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:36 am

I wouldn't mind them FUNDING a Kai'd Buu arc, just as long as they stayed the hell away from the actual production.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:40 am

penguintruth wrote:I wouldn't mind them FUNDING a Kai'd Buu arc, just as long as they stayed the hell away from the actual production.
Why? All they have to do is cut stuff out and resync the audio. Surely they can do that.

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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 am

They can't even give DBZ a proper release, so I'd be pretty nervous about them handling the editing too.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by bkev » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:45 am

KingofWisdom wrote:They can't even give DBZ a proper release, so I'd be pretty nervous about them handling the editing too.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:47 am

Which is now going out of print. I'd hardly call that a proper release. Maybe proper quality, yes.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by Gonstead » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:07 am

KingofWisdom wrote: But unfortunately sales for Kai haven't been great.
It's their own fault for not advertising it properly
KingofWisdom wrote:If anything, it's boosted sales of the orange brick box sets instead."
......what? How the hell does that make any sense?
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by KingofWisdom » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:09 am

I'm assuming Kai sales have went down after fans realized it wouldn't cover the entire DBZ story. But who knows.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:14 am

KingofWisdom wrote:"But unfortunately sales for Kai haven't been great. If anything, it's boosted sales of the orange brick box sets instead."
This is so depressing and wrong on countless levels. Oh man...
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KingofWisdom wrote:If anything, it's boosted sales of the orange brick box sets instead."
......what? How the hell does that make any sense?
My guess is that fans in general reacted poorly to Kai and were inadvertently reminded of how much they loved the old dub of Z (again, I blame the fact that FUNimation never properly advertised the uncut home release of Kai). I know sometimes we forget this as Kanzenshuu, but for all of the talk about how the original Japanese version is the only version that can be enjoyed worldwide, the English dub continues to be the main selling point of DBZ in North America--the majority of FUNimation's DVD-buying customers are primarily dub-watchers according to the surveys they have taken.
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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:46 am

I think you're giving people too much credit.

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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:18 am

FUNimation's doing its own Majin Boo Kai arc? Please God no.

Just stick to what they're given from Japan.
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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by OzzyApu » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:01 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:FUNimation's doing its own Majin Boo Kai arc? Please God no.

Just stick to what they're given from Japan.
Agreed. I'd want a Majin Boo Kai, but not from Funi. I'm not a dub guy.

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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:46 pm

OzzyApu wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:FUNimation's doing its own Majin Boo Kai arc? Please God no.

Just stick to what they're given from Japan.
Agreed. I'd want a Majin Boo Kai, but not from Funi. I'm not a dub guy.
I'd assume they'd be able to sync the Japanese audio up, too. Also I don't see what discontinuing a DVD release that was either in their contract that said they had to discontinue it or had low sales has to do with editing.

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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by OzzyApu » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:04 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:
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dbboxkaifan wrote:FUNimation's doing its own Majin Boo Kai arc? Please God no.

Just stick to what they're given from Japan.
Agreed. I'd want a Majin Boo Kai, but not from Funi. I'm not a dub guy.
I'd assume they'd be able to sync the Japanese audio up, too. Also I don't see what discontinuing a DVD release that was either in their contract that said they had to discontinue it or had low sales has to do with editing.
I'd assume that, too, but something about Funi being the primary handlers doesn't feel right.

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Post by Krycek7o2 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:25 pm

bkev wrote:
KingofWisdom wrote:They can't even give DBZ a proper release, so I'd be pretty nervous about them handling the editing too.
^The Dragon Box says hi.
Then says goodbye and flips the bird to many fans that didn't know about it's existence as it goes out of print.
This is disappointing to see many fans miss out on a great release and have to watch a less than stellar product.

But, sales are sales. I understand that completely.

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Post by jpdbzrulz4sure » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:36 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:I'd assume they'd be able to sync the Japanese audio up, too.
To do that, they would need to have a new Japanese track produced, just to have the isolated vocals. If they were to just use the old Z audio, they'd have no control over the placement of the music or sound effects, and depending on how the show is edited, they could be a complete mess.

There's a very good reason why the Japanese track in Z has only ever been released in mono, you know.
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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:38 pm

Ah yes, I didn't think of that. Well, never mind then.

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Re: Sabat & Cook answering to idea of USA exclusive Kai Buu

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:14 pm

My problem with FUNimation trying to do a Majin Boo arc as in manga-2-anime version it could possibly be choppy, badly done and not professional.

But if they knew exactly what they were doing, I'd like to see it, or... DBZ Levels BDs for Boo's Z arc.
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Post by ultimateemail5000 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:40 pm

I think Funimation could do this properly. They edited those episodes of GT on the first run, and on the green bricks they managed to edit Gokus animation in the 4th credit ending just to put English credits. If they followed the manga or had notes from Toei on what to cut and what not to they would be okay. Funimation knows how to edit from what I have seen. I also wish they would so we could have a Buu arc. It would be nice to see the Gohan school episodes cut up like the manga originally was, and it would be great to have Buu properly dubbed.

Or what they could do I just re-dub the entire Buu saga.

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