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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by VegettoEX » Tue May 01, 2012 6:49 am

Nex Carnifex wrote:Really, oh damn I thought I had heard about the piccolo thing in one of these podcasts
Yes. We talked about how it was made-up bullshit with absolutely no basis in reality that had been added to the Dragon Ball Wikia and was reason #2,702 to not trust a shred of information written there :).

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Castor Troy » Tue May 01, 2012 2:36 pm

At that point in the story, Goku could just flick away Majin Piccolo. :roll:

We already had a Majin Piccolo and his name was Piccolo Daimao.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue May 01, 2012 3:13 pm

Majin Piccolo? Piccolo merged with God and stopped being an evil being long time ago, so this Majin-thing only made sense with Vegeta and other characters who'd want to try conquering the world or just be stronger.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue May 01, 2012 3:26 pm

It's funny how someone can edit a fan wiki that can cause rumors across the web like crazy. I never trust fan wiki's as it's those wikis that can only be edit my members of a forum like the Bulbapedia and the Evageeks wiki.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by samuraix123 » Tue May 01, 2012 3:31 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:It's funny how someone can edit a fan wiki that can cause rumors across the web like crazy. I never trust fan wiki's as it's those wikis that can only be edit my members of a forum like the Bulbapedia and the Evageeks wiki.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue May 01, 2012 3:31 pm

We have already seen a similar case in DBZ Movie #2.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue May 01, 2012 3:33 pm

No, it wouldn't have been a good idea, because Piccolo's rival arc with Gokuu had long been over and there'd be no reason for him to deliberately let himself be overtaken by Bobbodi's mind control (at his strength, he'd be able to resist it, and has much less evil within him than Vegeta or Dabra). Even if he was taken over, he wouldn't completely return to his 23rd TB self, because Vegeta didn't become any more eviler or return to his Saiyan arc self. He pretended to, as if he didn't care about his family anymore, but Gokuu knew and wormed it out of him after Majin Boo's resurrection.

There'd be no real benefit to a Gokuu vs. Piccolo rematch. Vegeta's his rival now, not Piccolo. If you're really that eager for another fight between the two, watch DBZ Movie #2.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Akumaito Beam » Tue May 01, 2012 5:52 pm

Castor Troy wrote:At that point in the story, Goku could just flick away Majin Piccolo. :roll:

We already had a Majin Piccolo and his name was Piccolo Daimao.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Kiyza » Tue May 01, 2012 7:16 pm

Would I have like it? Yes. Would have worked better with the story? No.

Piccolo, by that point in his character development, had pretty much come full circle. It would have been interesting to see him revert to his old ways, but I feel like the role was best left to Vegeta, who still had a fair bit of development left to go. He was just flat out better for the role than Piccolo by that point in the story since his almost-evilness was a major point to character, whereas Piccolo, as Vegetto EX once put it, was essentially "domesticated" by that arc. I feel like there was more to draw from with Vegeta in particular. But, if anyone other than Vegeta were to be given the role, it should have been Piccolo, since he in turn had more to draw from with it than the rest of the cast.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Jackal puFF » Tue May 01, 2012 7:23 pm

I'd be kind of cool if he could spit out eggs again. I dunno, Toriyama could have made it work somehow.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Rory » Tue May 01, 2012 8:24 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:Like Akria Toriyama originally planned? He was going to have Piccolo come under control which would boost his power and have Goku fight him again like old times, but the editors thought Vegeta would be better. What would you rather have had? I think it would have been pretty interesting to have Piccolo vs Goku at that point, and too see Piccolo become evil again.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Fox666 » Tue May 01, 2012 8:38 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:It's funny how someone can edit a fan wiki that can cause rumors across the web like crazy. I never trust fan wiki's as it's those wikis that can only be edit my members of a forum like the Bulbapedia and the Evageeks wiki.
Not all Wikis have that problem. Since all edits are listed, it's easy to track any change.

The problem is that the Wikia has no supervision, or at least from a owner that actually knows what is reality or fantasy.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Nex Carnifex » Tue May 01, 2012 10:24 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Nex Carnifex wrote:Really, oh damn I thought I had heard about the piccolo thing in one of these podcasts
Yes. We talked about how it was made-up bullshit with absolutely no basis in reality that had been added to the Dragon Ball Wikia and was reason #2,702 to not trust a shred of information written there :).

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue May 01, 2012 10:54 pm

samuraix123 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:It's funny how someone can edit a fan wiki that can cause rumors across the web like crazy. I never trust fan wiki's as it's those wikis that can only be edit my members of a forum like the Bulbapedia and the Evageeks wiki.
Yeah I don't understand how they can get away with that crap. that's why I'm glad I joined here because if it ain't on here then it's likely BS!
It looks like that the people run the DB wiki poorly and it's run by fanboys. It seems like very few editors on the DB wiki know what they are talking about while it's just edit by crazy fans.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Nex Carnifex » Tue May 01, 2012 11:02 pm

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samuraix123 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:It's funny how someone can edit a fan wiki that can cause rumors across the web like crazy. I never trust fan wiki's as it's those wikis that can only be edit my members of a forum like the Bulbapedia and the Evageeks wiki.
Yeah I don't understand how they can get away with that crap. that's why I'm glad I joined here because if it ain't on here then it's likely BS!
It looks like that the people run the DB wiki poorly and it's run by fanboys. It seems like very few editors on the DB wiki know what they are talking about while it's just edit by crazy fans.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Saiga » Tue May 01, 2012 11:27 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:No, it wouldn't have been a good idea, because Piccolo's rival arc with Gokuu had long been over and there'd be no reason for him to deliberately let himself be overtaken by Bobbodi's mind control (at his strength, he'd be able to resist it, and has much less evil within him than Vegeta or Dabra). Even if he was taken over, he wouldn't completely return to his 23rd TB self, because Vegeta didn't become any more eviler or return to his Saiyan arc self. He pretended to, as if he didn't care about his family anymore, but Gokuu knew and wormed it out of him after Majin Boo's resurrection.

There'd be no real benefit to a Gokuu vs. Piccolo rematch. Vegeta's his rival now, not Piccolo. If you're really that eager for another fight between the two, watch DBZ Movie #2.
I don't think it is about strength. Dabra's likely waaaaaaaaay stronger than Piccolo, and he didn't resist it. I just don't think Piccolo was enough evil for it to work.
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Michsi » Wed May 02, 2012 4:30 am

(at his strength, he'd be able to resist it, and has much less evil within him than Vegeta or Dabra).
Dabra's likely waaaaaaaaay stronger than Piccolo

I don't believe strength, as in battle power or whatever, has much to do with it, but rather strength of spirit or will power and so on.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed May 02, 2012 4:16 pm

Saiga wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:No, it wouldn't have been a good idea, because Piccolo's rival arc with Gokuu had long been over and there'd be no reason for him to deliberately let himself be overtaken by Bobbodi's mind control (at his strength, he'd be able to resist it, and has much less evil within him than Vegeta or Dabra). Even if he was taken over, he wouldn't completely return to his 23rd TB self, because Vegeta didn't become any more eviler or return to his Saiyan arc self. He pretended to, as if he didn't care about his family anymore, but Gokuu knew and wormed it out of him after Majin Boo's resurrection.

There'd be no real benefit to a Gokuu vs. Piccolo rematch. Vegeta's his rival now, not Piccolo. If you're really that eager for another fight between the two, watch DBZ Movie #2.
I don't think it is about strength. Dabra's likely waaaaaaaaay stronger than Piccolo, and he didn't resist it. I just don't think Piccolo was enough evil for it to work.
Dabra has much more evil than Piccolo, since he's the Demon King or whatever, regardless of strength. Sorry, I should've explained that better (I had an inkling someone would point that out, but I thought people would understand anyway).
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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Aoi » Wed May 02, 2012 7:03 pm

Vegeta's conflict with Goku was the only one that was not resolved by the end of the Cell Games. It made the most sense to have the relationship between Goku and Vegeta (the franchise's 2 most popular characters at this point) be at the core of the grand finale to Dragon Ball. It's a brilliant story IMO. Buu was just a catalyst for everything thtat had to do with their developing relationship.

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Re: Do you think it would have been cooler to have Majin Pic

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu May 03, 2012 12:33 pm

Aoi wrote:Vegeta's conflict with Goku was the only one that was not resolved by the end of the Cell Games. It made the most sense to have the relationship between Goku and Vegeta (the franchise's 2 most popular characters at this point) be at the core of the grand finale to Dragon Ball. It's a brilliant story IMO. Buu was just a catalyst for everything thtat had to do with their developing relationship.
If there was no Boo arc, their conflict practically would've been resolved with his death in the Cell arc. Even with all his training, Vegeta still failed to surpass Gokuu, who later died and his chance for a rematch was destroyed.

Luckily, the Boo arc did happen and we did see Vegeta's conflict with Gokuu continued and resolved, as well as his entire character arc.
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