How would you create a genderbent Dragon Ball?

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't know, to be honest. It's hard to think Muten Roushi still being as perverted as ever, even as a woman. Yes, I know, woman can be just as raunchy as men, but, you know, it's kind of different in fiction and with this kind of humour.

Suddenly I'm having thoughts about a female, cock hungry old Roshi.......It can work, right.....?

LOL her vagina would be considered the Dead Zone.

[Nex Carnifex]

Well given girls aren't as into fighting or action cartoons as boys in the majority I think the show would fail as the audience wouldn't be able to relate to the main character.

[Bussani]

I guess Legend of Korra is going to fail, then.

[TripleRach]

Suddenly I'm having thoughts about a female, cock hungry old Roshi.......

I've been thinking a female Kamesennin would be like the old witch from Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

[Nex Carnifex]

I guess Legend of Korra is going to fail, then.

Well I think its different for Dragon Ball, because the fights are so violent and sadistic while woman are not biologically inclined to be warriors but a show can dare to be different I guess

[Bussani]

Well I think its different for Dragon Ball, because the fights are so violent and sadistic while woman are not biologically inclined to be warriors

Not that I'm agreeing with that statement, but children aren't exactly biologically inclined to be warriors, and Dragon Ball never cared about that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Suddenly I'm having thoughts about a female, cock hungry old Roshi.......It can work, right.....?

I really want to see this now.

[Fin]

I guess Legend of Korra is going to fail, then.

Well I think its different for Dragon Ball, because the fights are so violent and sadistic while woman are not biologically inclined to be warriors but a show can dare to be different I guess

Actually, there isn't much evidence that gender roles are innate. Cultural and social factors can also explain why men and women tend to gravitate towards different roles. For example, there are a number of historical examples of warrior women, including female militias, that could indicate that in some cultures women can be inclined towards that kind of life.

Though given the kind of societies we and Toriyama live in, you may be right that a genderbent Dragon Ball wouldn't be very successful, though I don't really see that as the point of this thread.

[Nex Carnifex]

Well I think its different for Dragon Ball, because the fights are so violent and sadistic while woman are not biologically inclined to be warriors

Not that I'm agreeing with that statement, but children aren't exactly biologically inclined to be warriors, and Dragon Ball never cared about that.

Well the different sexes definitely have their differences, hormones make the different sexes biologically inclined to a ton of things, like testosterone increases aggressive behavior. I don't know what your definition of warrior is but in Dragon Ball the battles are definitely full of this hormone. As for children yeah there are tomboys but in the wide range of things girls aren't as into fighting as guys, and naturally guys are going to relate with other guys. The Legend of Norra probably has a great story but I doubt it will be as popular as Dragon Ball was, or even its predecessor the Last Airbender, but more-so Dragon Ball like I said a show can dare to be different. I just don't see Dragon Ball escalating to the violent action drama it is or Goku becoming the role model he is if he was female, because there is a difference.

On the other hand there is My Little Pony...

Actually, there isn't much evidence that gender roles are innate. Cultural and social factors can also explain why men and women tend to gravitate towards different roles. For example, there are a number of historical examples of warrior women, including female militias, that could indicate that in some cultures women can be inclined towards that kind of life.

Though given the kind of societies we and Toriyama live in, you may be right that a genderbent Dragon Ball wouldn't be very successful, though I don't really see that as the point of this thread.

Well throughout history I believe hormones played a big role in creating these gender roles, even today the woman always get stuck with the children when the guy leaves society isn't dictating this its just natural for a mother to feel more obligated to the kids. You look everywhere even in disconnected societies like in Africa everything is the same, the men hunt and fight the woman stay with the kids, its just how our race is gender wise. Its the same in pretty much any ancient culture you look at, very rarely deviating, its not like there is a giant hive mind telling societies to develop this way.

[Bussani]

As for children yeah there are tomboys

Eh? I didn't say anything about tomboys. I said that children aren't usually warriors, either. Children don't enter martial arts tournaments with adults, or go into battle and get their necks broken by giant alien guys. Age doesn't matter in Dragon Ball, so why should gender?

As for how we react to it as the viewer...I still don't see the problem. I've never had trouble relating to the Knight Sabers from Bubblegum Crisis, or Lina Inverse from Slayers.

[Nex Carnifex]

As for children yeah there are tomboys

Eh? I didn't say anything about tomboys. I said that children aren't usually warriors, either. Children don't enter martial arts tournaments with adults, or go into battle and get their necks broken by giant alien guys. Age doesn't matter in Dragon Ball, so why should gender?

As for how we react to it as the viewer...I still don't see the problem. I've never had trouble relating to the Knight Sabers from Bubblegum Crisis, or Lina Inverse from Slayers.

I'm talking about ancient cultures where warriors were needed, hunter gatherer, medieval, you know. Kids still have that primal interest in them, interest in fighting, shonen like Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece all use that one of the main reasons they are successful I would assume. Female roles work for some shows and for some characters but just not Dragon Ball or Goku, and don't try and say gender doesn't matter what does Shonen translate too? Cartoons directed at boys not girls, because there is a difference. Arale was pretty much Goku as a girl tbh, but it just wouldn't translate as well when all the testosterone fueled aspects came into play.

[Bussani]

No one's disputing who Dragon Ball was aimed at. I'm just saying that I've never had any trouble relating to female leads. Slayers and Bubblegum Crisis aren't exactly girly shows. How about Ghost in the Shell? Gunsmith Cats? Tenchi Muyo!, which has similar fights to Dragon Ball at times?

[Fin]

Yeah, I'm really not seeing the problem with identifying with characters of another gender to yourself. I could probably list off a dozen female characters I relate to in various ways. Personality is more of a factor for me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There's gotta be a lot of fans, both male and female, of Xena: Warrior Princess and Wonder Woman.

And perhaps it'd even get a following (cult or not) with female bodybuilders (just thinking about how a female Muten Roushi bulking up to maximum power would look like). Talking of which, I haven't seen a lot of Rule 63 fanart of Muten Roushi; it'd certainly be interesting.

[Gokuman1993]

There's gotta be a lot of fans, both male and female, of Xena: Warrior Princess and Wonder Woman.

And perhaps it'd even get a following (cult or not) with female bodybuilders (just thinking about how a female Muten Roushi bulking up to maximum power would look like). Talking of which, I haven't seen a lot of Rule 63 fanart of Muten Roushi; it'd certainly be interesting.

You wanna check this out: http://rulkout1993.deviantart.com/gallery/31519489

I made all the artwork (It's not as great as you think, but I hope you like it and tell me all about it)

And, you're right, I bet a genderbent Dragon Ball would appeal to certain audiences, but this thread's topic is about how people would like it, it's about how YOU would do it.

[Michsi]

I'm pretty sure that the target audience would pretty much stay the same, but the reason why they watch the show would most likely be different, not to mention it would have never gained that large of a female audience as a periphery demographic. I wouldn't be surprised if the focus would switch from battle oriented to fan service oriented, like I have seen countless action anime do when they have a large female cast.

[TripleRach]

Yeah, I'm really not seeing the problem with identifying with characters of another gender to yourself. I could probably list off a dozen female characters I relate to in various ways. Personality is more of a factor for me.

And on the flip side, I've never had problems relating to male characters either. But I think there can be self-esteem issues when one's gender, race, etc, is underrepresented in the media. That's not really an issue for males, though.

There's gotta be a lot of fans, both male and female, of Xena: Warrior Princess and Wonder Woman.

As famous as Wonder Woman is, I've often heard that she's not actually as popular or successful as you might think, at least with comic sales.

But Xena is a pretty interesting one, because her show was probably much more popular and successful than its male counterpart it spun-off from (Hercules: The Legendary Journeys). It was on the air a little longer and had more episodes overall, and definitely made a bigger impact on pop culture.

And then the reverse happened with Buffy, which had a male-centric spin-off (Angel), but Buffy remained the more successful and popular show overall.

So it's definitely not impossible to have a successful action series starring a female character.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There's gotta be a lot of fans, both male and female, of Xena: Warrior Princess and Wonder Woman.

As famous as Wonder Woman is, I've often heard that she's not actually as popular or successful as you might think, at least with comic sales.

Ahh...I knew someone was going to say that. You're right that her comic books were never really that successful and she's never even got a proper film off on the road, so maybe it's something of a niche audience. But an audience nonetheless, and her name is still touted whenever you think of female superheroes.

But Xena is a pretty interesting one, because her show was probably much more popular and successful than its male counterpart it spun-off from (Hercules: The Legendary Journeys). It was on the air a little longer and had more episodes overall, and definitely made a bigger impact on pop culture.

And then the reverse happened with Buffy, which had a male-centric spin-off (Angel), but Buffy remained the more successful and popular show overall.

So it's definitely not impossible to have a successful action series starring a female character.

Yeah, I think it's just about good writing and, you know, not sexualizing anything female just for the sake of cheap appeal to male audiences. Surprisingly enough, we're not still testosterone-pumped teenage fratboys inside, who can't just find that stuff on the internet anyway if we really wanted to.

I mean, sometimes I just get a bit fed up when I see "sexy, impractically armoured girl-warrior with massive tits #2578" in a fighting game. Maybe in 1997 or something, where that was probably the only way 15-year-old boys could get off under their parents' permission, but we're living in 2012, where you can find porn of Velma Dinkley getting fucked by a werewolf in three clicks. We don't need that shit anymore. Is there really that much of a market for fanservice bullshit like that?

[soulnova]

I guess Legend of Korra is going to fail, then.

Well I think its different for Dragon Ball, because the fights are so violent and sadistic while woman are not biologically inclined to be warriors but a show can dare to be different I guess

Speak for other girls. Heck, I'm a 27 year old woman and I still do want to blow stuff to bits with ki blasts.

By the way, I don't believe it's sadistic, but maybe a little more like "real suffering".

[Gokuman1993]

Okay, guys. To add some more excitement is this post, I'm gonna let you guys do something fun:

If the characters of DB were genderswapped, how would you write their personalities? You dont have to do this, but I'd love to see you're ideas for a genderbent Dragon Ball world and how the characters would be like.

Remember, the same rules apply: All characters gotta be genderbent Good luck.