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by Gonstead » Sat May 19, 2012 8:34 am
Hades wrote:I personally think that Nadolny, had she returned for Kai, would have improved even more, like most of the cast did (there was a huge leap between the apocalyptic season 3 and the "meh" Buu Saga, and from that to the brilliant Kai).
If Nadolny did return to Kai and had a better performance than before, I would possibly love Kai even more than I currently do.
Not to say that Colleen is bad, hell no, she is fantastic as Gohan but having 10+ years of voices you associate with certain characters, you tend to develop an attachment to said voices.
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat May 19, 2012 9:38 am
Gonstead wrote:Hades wrote:I personally think that Nadolny, had she returned for Kai, would have improved even more, like most of the cast did (there was a huge leap between the apocalyptic season 3 and the "meh" Buu Saga, and from that to the brilliant Kai).
If Nadolny did return to Kai and had a better performance than before, I would love Kai even more than I currently do.
Not to say that Colleen is bad, hell no, she is fantastic as Gohan but having 10+ years of voices you associate with certain characters, you tend to develop an attachment to said voices.
Are you talking about her Luffy? Well, I don't see a problem, since this is a different show and Luffy isn't even in
Dragon Ball.
If not, and you're talking about having formed an attachment to Nadolny's Gohan, that's just nostalgia talking, and you should take off the rose-tinted glasses.
It'd be interesting to see what Nadolny's Gohan would be like if she'd returned for
Kai, but Clinkenbeard's good enough.
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by Gonstead » Sat May 19, 2012 10:59 am
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gonstead wrote:Hades wrote:I personally think that Nadolny, had she returned for Kai, would have improved even more, like most of the cast did (there was a huge leap between the apocalyptic season 3 and the "meh" Buu Saga, and from that to the brilliant Kai).
If Nadolny did return to Kai and had a better performance than before, I would love Kai even more than I currently do.
Not to say that Colleen is bad, hell no, she is fantastic as Gohan but having 10+ years of voices you associate with certain characters, you tend to develop an attachment to said voices.
Are you talking about her Luffy? Well, I don't see a problem, since this is a different show and Luffy isn't even in
Dragon Ball.
If not, and you're talking about having formed an attachment to Nadolny's Gohan, that's just nostalgia talking, and you should take off the rose-tinted glasses.
It'd be interesting to see what Nadolny's Gohan would be like if she'd returned for
Kai, but Clinkenbeard's good enough.
I'm perfectly fine with Clinkenbeard as Gohan. She's the best we've practically had for the dub. I'm just interested how Nadolny would sound if she came back for Kai and gave a better performance.
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Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sat May 19, 2012 1:26 pm
Gonstead wrote:I'm perfectly fine with Clinkenbeard as Gohan. She's the best we've practically had for the dub. I'm just interested how Nadolny would sound if she came back for Kai and gave a better performance.
Ah, OK. Yes, I agree that it'd be interesting to see how she may've improved. Others, such as Sabat, certainly did.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by LiamKav » Sun May 20, 2012 12:01 pm
Having at attachment to a voice is understandable. But sometimes you just have to force yourself to let go. Otherwise you'd have Terry Klassen Kuririn and granny Freeza for the rest of time.
(The raspy kids voice isn't unique to dubbed DBZ. American TV seems to have this weird thing for hiring girls to play young boys and then getting them to put on deep, raspy voices, rather than just hiring a male with a higher-pitched voice. Dubbed kid Kuririn is about as deeply pitched as adult dubbed Kuririn.)
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun May 20, 2012 1:08 pm
LiamKav wrote:(The raspy kids voice isn't unique to dubbed DBZ. American TV seems to have this weird thing for hiring girls to play young boys and then getting them to put on deep, raspy voices, rather than just hiring a male with a higher-pitched voice. Dubbed kid Kuririn is about as deeply pitched as adult dubbed Kuririn.)
Yeah, I don't know what that's about either. I know that a lot of the time, young boys are cast with female voice actors due to their vocal range (it can be hard for a man to make his voice both high-pitched and believably natural for a young boy), but as long as these actors are actually
good and can put on a performance that doesn't just sound like they're just gruffing up. That's what failed with Nadolny's "chain-smoker" Gohan.
I don't think it necessarily matters what gender the voice actor is, as long as they can put on a good enough performance, but most of the time women can voice young boys better than men, because past puberty, some men just can't act with their voices high enough.
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by Gonstead » Thu May 24, 2012 5:18 am
The "Kch" sound that the Japanese actors make when they're either angry or struggling with something sound so forced and unnatural. It sounds as if the actors are choking on something they are eating.
And I don't have as much problem as I did with Nozawa on her Goku, but good god is she annoying when she tries to make Gohan sound like a wild animal in the episode where he goes Oozaru due to Goku's spaceship.
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by Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw » Thu May 24, 2012 7:07 am
Gonstead wrote:The "Kch" sound that the Japanese actors make when they're either angry or struggling with something sound so forced and unnatural. It sounds as if the actors are choking on something they are eating.
Thank-you! At least I'm not alone on this one. I've never been able to understand why people say the grunting in English could be unnatural and yet not hear the constant "Kk-kk-kk-kk" as forced.
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by Saiga » Thu May 24, 2012 7:47 am
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by Michsi » Thu May 24, 2012 8:15 am
Lord Eeyore Haw-Haw wrote:Gonstead wrote:The "Kch" sound that the Japanese actors make when they're either angry or struggling with something sound so forced and unnatural. It sounds as if the actors are choking on something they are eating.
Thank-you! At least I'm not alone on this one. I've never been able to understand why people say the grunting in English could be unnatural and yet not hear the constant "Kk-kk-kk-kk" as forced.
I'm also with this one. I prefer the japanese Version but that doesn't mean there aren't things that don't annoy me and the "kk-kk-kk" is one of them. I used think this was just old school voice acting but I'm not sure it isn't just Nozawa . I can't remember if there is anyone else that uses it....
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by DBZAOTA482 » Thu May 24, 2012 8:20 am
They all do it.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by Michsi » Thu May 24, 2012 8:22 am
Then it is old school voice acting ?
I don't think I've heard it in recent anime. I'm trying to remember if Luffy uses it too.
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by jpdbzrulz4sure » Thu May 24, 2012 8:24 am
The Dragon Ball franchise is by far one of the most difficult, frustrating, and headache-inducing to be a fan of, even if I somehow manage. In fact, I almost wish I'd never been introduced to it, let alone become a fan of it.
Almost.
That's unpopular, right? .....Right??
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by DBZAOTA482 » Thu May 24, 2012 8:41 am
jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:The Dragon Ball franchise is by far one of the most difficult, frustrating, and headache-inducing to be a fan of, even if I somehow manage. In fact, I almost wish I'd never been introduced to it, let alone become a fan of it.
Almost.
That's unpopular, right? .....Right??
It's not that unpopular, I think so too. So many of them are naive American children (or more precisely, menchildren).
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by jpdbzrulz4sure » Thu May 24, 2012 8:49 am
DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's not that unpopular, I think so too. So many of them are naive American children (or more precisely, menchildren).
Yeah, I guess so.
Hey, reading some of the above posts, I've found what seems to be becoming an increasingly unpopular opinion.
The "kkk" straining sounds characters make in the Japanese version don't sound forced to me in the least.

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by Saimaroimaru » Thu May 24, 2012 9:25 am
After reading that Fan Trailer thread, a unpopular opinion of mine is that the Z is pronounced zee. And as someone pointed out in that thread its just how Americans say their Z's, its a part of the American dialect. Go after English doctorates and teachers. As such I pronounce, Dragon Ball Z as Dragon Ball Zee. Sorry, if I don't speak British English but I wasn't raised in England or by British English using parents, or by British English using teachers.
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by Michsi » Thu May 24, 2012 9:32 am
Saimaroimaru wrote:After reading that Fan Trailer thread, a unpopular opinion of mine is that the Z is pronounced zee. And as someone pointed out in that thread its just how Americans say their Z's, its a part of the American dialect. Go after English doctorates and teachers. As such I pronounce, Dragon Ball Z as Dragon Ball Zee. Sorry, if I don't speak British English but I wasn't raised in England or by British English using parents, or by British English using teachers.
Strange, I'm not american nor british, english is not my first language and aside from the american version I have watched DB in japanese, german and italian....and I also think and pronounce it with the american "zee"

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by BlazingFiddlesticks » Thu May 24, 2012 1:17 pm
jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:The Dragon Ball franchise is by far one of the most difficult, frustrating, and headache-inducing to be a fan of, even if I somehow manage. In fact, I almost wish I'd never been introduced to it, let alone become a fan of it.
Almost.
That's unpopular, right? .....Right??
That's not a collective headache of the type of people who come to this site?
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by Hellspawn28 » Thu May 24, 2012 5:22 pm
jpdbzrulz4sure wrote:The Dragon Ball franchise is by far one of the most difficult, frustrating, and headache-inducing to be a fan of, even if I somehow manage. In fact, I almost wish I'd never been introduced to it, let alone become a fan of it.
I seen fandom much much worst then Dragon Ball. Every fan base has frustrating and snobby fans but I seen some that are much worst.
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by Akumaito Beam » Thu May 24, 2012 5:39 pm
Gonstead wrote:The "Kch" sound that the Japanese actors make when they're either angry or struggling with something sound so forced and unnatural. It sounds as if the actors are choking on something they are eating.
And I don't have as much problem as I did with Nozawa on her Goku, but good god is she annoying when she tries to make Gohan sound like a wild animal in the episode where he goes Oozaru due to Goku's spaceship.
I make those noises all the time when I'm under physical strain and I'm holding my breath as opposed to breathing correctly. When air briefly escapes it comes out exactly as "kkktch" before I start holding my breath again. Granted, why a bunch of martial arts experts don't know how to breathe correctly under strain is another question altogether.