Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Hellspawn28]

Rock Lee with "Fifth Gate" opened VS 23rd Saiyan Saga Krillin
Luffy VS First Form Cell
Zoro VS Trunks when he fights Freeza

I think these are over kill. Freeza can destroy Planets and no one in One Piece would stand up against something like that. I think someone like Radditz could solo all of One Piece on his own.

[ShadowDude112]

Red Hulk vs. Broly. Honestly, I'm putting my money on Red Hulk. He's a smarter version of the Hulk and he's the Hulk. Like, seriously. Broly doesn't have a chance.

[Hellspawn28]

Depending on the version of Red Hulk since he went from owning Thor with the Odin force to losing a normal version of the Hulk from what I can remember.

[ShadowDude112]

Depending on the version of Red Hulk since he went from owning Thor with the Odin force to losing a normal version of the Hulk from what I can remember.

Then, how far would Venom, either Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson make it. Also, how far do you think Captain Universe powered Spider-Man would make it?

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think Eddie Brock Venom would make that far into Dragon Ball. I think someone like Tao could beat him since he is lot faster then Venom and Tao's pillar feat is stronger then most Spider-man villains have shown from what I can remember.

[ShadowDude112]

I don't think Eddie Brock Venom would make that far into Dragon Ball. I think someone like Tao could beat him since he is lot faster then Venom and Tao's pillar feat is stronger then most Spider-man villains have shown from what I can remember.

That's true. But my second option, about Captain Universe Spider-Man. I feel he could take on a post Kaio training Goku or, maybe this is a stretch, but Goku after he got back from Namek.

[Hellspawn28]

Liang Xing Long (Haze Shenron) vs. Captain Planet. Can the weakest and dumbest shadow dragon can take down Captain Planet ?

[theawesomepossum777]

Rock Lee with "Fifth Gate" opened VS 23rd Saiyan Saga Krillin
Luffy VS First Form Cell
Zoro VS Trunks when he fights Freeza

I think these are over kill. Freeza can destroy Planets and no one in One Piece would stand up against something like that. I think someone like Radditz could solo all of One Piece on his own.

I think you're forgetting about the Logia type Devil Fruit users in One Piece. Somebody like Eneru could defeat Raditz just because of Logia types are immune to physical attacks. Haki would also be a deciding factor.

That's why these discussions don't work half of the time. The series we're talking about have different rules and powers.

[Pantalones]

I think you're forgetting about the Logia type Devil Fruit users in One Piece. Somebody like Eneru could defeat Raditz just because of Logia types are immune to physical attacks.

But Raditz isn't limited to physical attacks, though. He can also fire ki blasts, and there's no logical reason for ki and haki to not be interchangeable for "can't be harmed by non-special attacks" purposes.

The Logia-types' traits would make them unbeatable to a lot of the earlier characters who rely entirely on physical attacks (maybe even up to someone like Yajirobe, since he can't fly and never seems to use any kind of energy blasts either, just his sword), but anyone who can use even a basic ki blast would have a way to get around that.

[Haji]

What is a Logia type? People like Smoker that turns to smoke when hit, or Eneru that turns into lightning? You would think they would be untouchable, but I think any of the Z senshi would move in on them so fast they could not see them. And I think they could also hit so fast they would be solid for that one moment, like slapping the surface of water.

[Bussani]

What is a Logia type? People like Smoker that turns to smoke when hit, or Eneru that turns into lightning?

Anyone with the power to completely transform into an element, so yes, Smoker and Enel are examples. I'm not sure being fast enough to get a surprise attack in is a guaranteed victory, though, since there seems to be no reason that they can't stay in an intangible form indefinitely. Even when they look human and solid, sometimes they're not, and I believe the author said something about them being neither entirely human or entirely element in their default state. It should be technically possible to hurt them, however, since Crocodile was specifically said to have trained himself to become his element out of reflex.

But Raditz isn't limited to physical attacks, though. He can also fire ki blasts, and there's no logical reason for ki and haki to not be interchangeable for "can't be harmed by non-special attacks" purposes.

I dunno... It's possible, but there's no logical reason to believe that Dragon Ball's ki has that property, either. Ki and "haki" may be similar concepts on the surface (as are The Force, Chakra, Nen, etc.), but each can do things the other can't, so this one could go either way.

[sonikku956]

Tarrlock (Legend of Korra) vs. 23rd Budokai Goku.

Bloodbending is allowed.

[Darkprince410]

Well Akira in did say in one of his interviews that they were moving faster than light at the end of Z

Which interview? I don't remember that.

Goku ran Snake Way in 170 ish days (Can't remember the exact number, it might be 177)

It should have been around 183, but close enough.

The trip back took 2 days so he was moving at 13,020 mph (20953.66 kmh) so he was pushing almost double the speed of sound.

I think it might have been slightly less than the two days Kaio estimated (like a day and a half), but again, it's close enough. The speed of sound is only about 768 miles per hour, though, so Goku's speed coming back along Serpent Road is more like Mach 17--quite a bit more than double the speed of sound.

11:43AM is the time that the saiyans arrive on Earth, Vegeta waits 3 hours for Goku.
Goku left a day prior, hence approx 27 hours.

Snakeway is 1,000,000 KM
Goku travels it in 27 Hours
Goku travelled Snakeway with speed of Mach 31 over 27 hours.
Power level 5,000

(time & distance = speed)
27 hours + 1,000,000km = 10,288 m/s or Mach 31

Kaioken boost stats linearly. KKx2 = Mach 62, KKx3 = 93, KKx4 = 124.

However, we clearly see when Goku is making his way back across Serpent Road on his way back to Earth that he was bounding across the coils/flying over them in a straight line rather than traveling along the actual road. Since the 1,000,000 km is almost assuredly the length of the road if someone went about it on foot or drove across it, not "as the crow flies", we can infer that Goku traveled far less than 1,000,000 on his way back, thus making that feat invalid as far as assessing his velocity.

[Hellspawn28]

I haven't seen anyone in OP able to survived a attack that can wipe out a large city like Tokyo or NYC in a single blow? Nappa was able to make a blast that can be seen from space with two fingers. Nappa could blow up something like Asia with one attack without that much effort. So putting someone like Cell against someone like Luffy is like putting a flea against a T-rex.

[Bussani]

However, we clearly see when Goku is making his way back across Serpent Road on his way back to Earth that he was bounding across the coils/flying over them in a straight line rather than traveling along the actual road. Since the 1,000,000 km is almost assuredly the length of the road if someone went about it on foot or drove across it, not "as the crow flies", we can infer that Goku traveled far less than 1,000,000 on his way back, thus making that feat invalid as far as assessing his velocity.

This is true, but I wouldn't say it makes it completely invalid. It just means that Goku's speed could have been anything up to that estimate. It sets an upper limit, which some people might be interested to know.

[Gonstead]

Any Dragon Ball character vs Bartholomew Kuma.

Kuma is able to deflect practically anything, so who could best him in combat?

[Fox666]

Kuma can deflect anything or touch himself (giggity) to move at speed of light, but his reflexes or movements are not at the speed of light, thus I believe he can be defeated by characters of Dragon Ball level.

[Hitiro]

Any Dragon Ball character vs Bartholomew Kuma.

Kuma is able to deflect practically anything, so who could best him in combat?

Deflect anything? I'm not that familiar with One Piece but by anything you also mean physical attacks? Or just things like Ki and any of the other forms of attacks in One Piece? If he can't deflect physical attacks he isn't going to stand against the sheer punching power of the Z Fighters.

[Fox666]

He can deflect physical attacks, but also something immaterial like fire or even the pain a person suffered.

[Hellspawn28]

I have not been update to with One Piece but I remember he was able to avoid Gear 2nd Luffy's attacks. I don't remember Luffy being around the same speed as other DB characters since early characters like Tao is around Mach 14 based on the initial velocity needed for his pillar feat. I'm pretty sure most DB characters can blitz Kuma before he does anything.