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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by penguintruth » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:00 pm

But it's not just inaccurate. It comes out of nowhere (Goku's in the middle of a fight that he's quite enjoying) and even breaks the tension of the fight.

It's got no basis at all in the current situation. Why would you essentially say fighting is bad in the middle of a damn fight? A fight, mind you, that Goku is all smiles about.

All these little morality lessons clash with what we're being shown.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:28 pm

Or....maybe after Frieza called him "Monkey" 1000 times, he finally decided to call him out on it. I see it more of mentally attacking Frieza rather than preaching. Maybe you need a morality speech.

Here's a bad dub line....because it's bad. Goku to Frieza "HEY YO WHAT'S THE MATTER?! You're the one who started this thing anyway" ...something to that degree then WHAM!
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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:29 pm

But that's not something that Goku would do.

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Post by Saiga » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:32 pm

It's not completely random. And Goku's right about Freeza's fear of the Saiyan race, it's a good shutdown to Freeza constantly calling him a monkey. It fits with Goku realising his Saiyan pride before hand as well.
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by penguintruth » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:44 pm

Freeza really doesn't use "monkey" that often in the Japanese version. In the dub, it's practically every word out of his mouth.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:42 pm

Well, what really makes that line bad is that it's not in response to calling Goku a monkey... it's in response to calling him a primate. And that's supposed to be an insult. So even if you disagree that Goku's line is stupid and out of character, you have to agree that it's stupid he's giving that reply to something that shouldn't even be insulting in the first place!
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by penguintruth » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:05 pm

Goku doesn't give a damn about name-calling, anyway. He's in a fight with a guy who wants to kill him.
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Post by Fionordequester » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:05 am

Goku doesn't give a damn about name-calling, anyway. He's in a fight with a guy who wants to kill him.
If that were the case, he wouldn't have even bothered telling Frieza how pathetic his attack was (as he did the Japanese version), he simply would've killed him as fast as he could. I seriously don't think Goku was feeling anything but disgust and pity at that point.

Also, I think nitpicking the "primate" and "ape" thing is kind of splitting hairs. I mean, whatever Frieza says, it still has the same meaning as a derogatory term for a race that he considers beneath him. I mean sure, primates can technically count as humans, but I think the message the writers were trying to communicate is clear enough.

It's like the difference between a soldier and a warrior. They're technically different, and it's not technically accurate to immediately assume that someone is a soldier just because they happen to be a warrior...but I think there's going to be a lot of people who will still have the same mental image in their head whether you're saying soldier or warrior.

EDIT: That being said though, there IS one DOOZY of a bad line that I can't wait to show you guys
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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Fionordequester wrote:If that were the case, he wouldn't have even bothered telling Freeza how pathetic his attack was (as he did the Japanese version), he simply would've killed him as fast as he could. I seriously don't think Goku was feeling anything but disgust and pity at that point.
Goku wanted to enjoy the fight with the strongest being in the universe, and to humiliate him. Goku tried to warn Freeza to avoid the Kienzan that sliced him, and gave him some ki to leave the planet. He eventually finished him off because he couldn't do anything else.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by Fionordequester » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:51 pm

But Goku himself said that the fight was over even before Frieza threw the energy disc at him. If he were still enjoying the fight, why would he even try to leave in the first place?

EDIT: That being said though, I have now uploaded the dub clip that has, what I believe to be, the absolute worst AND most offensive dub dialogue of all time. It's worse than "don't piss off the God of Love", MORE offensive than the "David vs. Goliath" thing in the Ocean dub, and just as nonsensical as Tien saying he can grow his arm back. There is absolute NO defense for this one. So, as soon as someone else responds to this post (so that I won't be guilty of double posting), I will upload it.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:15 pm

If you edited your post to say you've uploaded a clip, why don't/didn't you just edit your post to include a link to said clip...?
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by Fionordequester » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:18 pm

I was worried that people would pass over it. Like, someone would read that post before I added in the edit, think "oh, that's all he had to say", and then be completely unaware of what I had posted. And the lines at the last 10 seconds of this video are so bad, that it was something I REALLY wanted for people to see.

But, in any case, here it is...

http://www.viddler.com/v/b5eff170
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".

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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by penguintruth » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:29 pm

Fionordequester wrote: But, in any case, here it is...

http://www.viddler.com/v/b5eff170
"God bless him. All we can do is pray."

You mean the green God that does nothing important? Or the chuckling pun addict? Which god should they be praying to?

It's a pretty bad line, but I've heard worse.
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by Fionordequester » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:40 pm

Really? Well, I've read your other suggestions in this thread, and, even though most of them were indeed really stupid (except the "variety of flower" one), at least those were only stupid. Here, we have something that, in my opinion, seems to be clear pandering to the audience, regardless of how much it damages the show. It's like they're seeing "well, we may be terrible writers but...HEY PRAISE JESUS! YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOVE US NOW!".

I'm a Christian, and even I'm cringing at this.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by LiamKav » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:26 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Well, what really makes that line bad is that it's not in response to calling Goku a monkey... it's in response to calling him a primate. And that's supposed to be an insult. So even if you disagree that Goku's line is stupid and out of character, you have to agree that it's stupid he's giving that reply to something that shouldn't even be insulting in the first place!
As if Goku knows that humans count as primates.

Hell, as if Goku knows what a primate is full stop.

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DBZAOTA482 wrote: I know but it's a bit strange given how uptight she was throughout most of the series. Greed seemed like something she'd frown upon.
Like I said, something must've happened in the years between Cell and Boo to spark that change in her. Probably Gokuu's permanent death made her realize just how important fighting, in the interest of protecting the planet from evil, was. As well as seeing her son get the shit beaten out of him on live TV. And then, when Gohan still grew up into a respectable young man regardless of all this, she realized that she shouldn't have worried so much.
Let's not forget Goku left her with an apology ("Tell your mother I'm sorry for being so selfish and giving her such a hard time.") and the anime even touched upon it when Gohan went into monologue about this sudden character development of where Goku's second parting changing her attitude towards fighting and showing her the importance of training thus training Goten so he doesn't end up in a limbo of life-or-death like Gohan did with Cell.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

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DBZAOTA482 wrote: I know but it's a bit strange given how uptight she was throughout most of the series. Greed seemed like something she'd frown upon.
Like I said, something must've happened in the years between Cell and Boo to spark that change in her. Probably Gokuu's permanent death made her realize just how important fighting, in the interest of protecting the planet from evil, was. As well as seeing her son get the shit beaten out of him on live TV. And then, when Gohan still grew up into a respectable young man regardless of all this, she realized that she shouldn't have worried so much.
Let's not forget Goku left her with an apology ("Tell your mother I'm sorry for being so selfish and giving her such a hard time.") and the anime even touched upon it when Gohan went into monologue about this sudden character development of where Goku's second parting changing her attitude towards fighting and showing her the importance of training thus training Goten so he doesn't end up in a limbo of life-or-death like Gohan did with Cell.
Yeah, although I believe Gokuu only said, "Tell your mother I'm sorry" or "Tell your mother I'm sorry I'm not coming home." I don't recall he ever apologized for his numerous selfish and stress-inducing actions.
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Piccolo Daimao wrote:
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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Like I said, something must've happened in the years between Cell and Boo to spark that change in her. Probably Gokuu's permanent death made her realize just how important fighting, in the interest of protecting the planet from evil, was. As well as seeing her son get the shit beaten out of him on live TV. And then, when Gohan still grew up into a respectable young man regardless of all this, she realized that she shouldn't have worried so much.
Let's not forget Goku left her with an apology ("Tell your mother I'm sorry for being so selfish and giving her such a hard time.") and the anime even touched upon it when Gohan went into monologue about this sudden character development of where Goku's second parting changing her attitude towards fighting and showing her the importance of training thus training Goten so he doesn't end up in a limbo of life-or-death like Gohan did with Cell.
Yeah, although I believe Gokuu only said, "Tell your mother I'm sorry" or "Tell your mother I'm sorry I'm not coming home." I don't recall he ever apologized for his numerous selfish and stress-inducing actions.
In the original JPN of the anime and Kai, he certainly did. I quoted it because I like it quite so.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:45 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:In the original JPN of the anime and Kai, he certainly did. I quoted it because I like it quite so.
OK then, fair enough. Not sure about the manga, though.
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Re: Worst dub lines ever

Post by matt0044 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:04 pm

From GT: "Does this mean I have to go back to School?" asked Goku who was young again and forget that HE NEVER WENT TO SCHOOL!

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