Worst case of degenerated Dragon Box Colours

[Corpsecreate]

So I was looking through episode 256 when I found a scene where it flashes back to a scene from episode 245. This is what it looks like.

Flashback = Top, Actual Scene from episode 245 = Bottom




This is the worst I've ever seen the colours on the dbox.

[Metalwario64]

If it's just during the flashback, then it's clearly intentional, like the red tint during Kulilin and Trunks destroying Gero's laboratory. They wouldn't randomly use a different reel of film for a flashback, and random scenes wouldn't degrade any faster than the rest of the film, especially something as specific as that one scene.

[Corpsecreate]

I doubt its intentional. I dont see why they would do this? I think a good way to check if it is indeed intentional would be to look at other releases outside of the dragon box and see what colours they have. I dont have anything other than the Dbox on hand at the moment so if someone else could then that would be great

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

[BluezaBladeNZ]

There's one that really sticks out during the NEP for episode 75 (sorry about it being too long, I already put this together months ago and couldn't get to swapping it around):

[sangofe]

I doubt its intentional. I dont see why they would do this? I think a good way to check if it is indeed intentional would be to look at other releases outside of the dragon box and see what colours they have. I dont have anything other than the Dbox on hand at the moment so if someone else could then that would be great

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

It has to be intentional. I remember the french dragonball z broadcast being like this too.

[Puto]

It's pretty normal in the industry to tint a flashback with a random color.

[dprez]

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

[kei17]

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxO9nZsIyhQ

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

To me, the best example is DBZ episode 31, and the biggest flaw is the audio quality.

[eledoremassis02]

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxO9nZsIyhQ

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

To me, the best example is DBZ episode 31, and the biggest flaw is the audio quality.

I notice the reddish skin a lot. But it seems to not be as bad in the later Dragon Boxes. The audio never really bothers me until I see these TV rips!

[DHM211]

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxO9nZsIyhQ

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

To me, the best example is DBZ episode 31, and the biggest flaw is the audio quality.

Why?

[DHM211]

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxO9nZsIyhQ

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

To me, the best example is DBZ episode 31, and the biggest flaw is the audio quality.

I notice the reddish skin a lot. But it seems to not be as bad in the later Dragon Boxes. The audio never really bothers me until I see these TV rips!

The saiyan saga is know for having the pinkest skins and greenest skies.

[Son Satan]

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

There's a couple of threads around the forum if you search for them. This was probably the best one: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=10027

[Corpsecreate]

EDIT: You may be right. It might be intentional, I just checked a video of the orange bricks and its there also. Keis VHS rips would be the best test however

Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxO9nZsIyhQ

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

To me, the best example is DBZ episode 31, and the biggest flaw is the audio quality.

Wow so there you have it. Thanks for posting that up kei

[eledoremassis02]

Looking at that other forum I had fun taking the TV colors and put them on the Dragon Box


I wish I had some TV recording of the Saiyan saga

[dprez]

I'd be interested, if nobody minds, if we could have more images posted here that show the best examples of the color being off on the Dragon Boxes. While watching, all I ever noticed was the pinkish hue in the sky from time to time, but it's clear that many member here see it's colors as the Dragon Boxes biggest fault. Just curious, what are the greatest examples of this color degeneration?

There's a couple of threads around the forum if you search for them. This was probably the best one: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=10027

Thanks!

I do agree that the pinkest skin and the greenest sky's were on the early Dragon Boxes. By the time the Boo saga rolls along though, the sky is always blue and their skin is always that whitish-tan color.

[DHM211]

Comparison time!

[Son Satan]

Comparison time!

http://s1071.photobucket.com/albums/u51 ... 90ff37.jpg

So mystery solved! Of course, the red is still amped up big time after the film aged, but the effect was obviously intentional.

[Zestanor]

There's one that really sticks out during the NEP for episode 75 (sorry about it being too long, I already put this together months ago and couldn't get to swapping it around):
snip

Episode 75? Isn't that in the range of the 10-or-so episodes that Toei apparently had 35mm masters for? The colors on those were actually less degenerated, but they could appear to be incorrect if you were used to the faded Dragon Box colors

[kei17]

There's one that really sticks out during the NEP for episode 75 (sorry about it being too long, I already put this together months ago and couldn't get to swapping it around):
snip

Episode 75? Isn't that in the range of the 10-or-so episodes that Toei apparently had 35mm masters for? The colors on those were actually less degenerated, but they could appear to be incorrect if you were used to the faded Dragon Box colors

From what I know, next episode previews are stored on separate reels. They are not very important, so it can be easily imagined that they have been treated less carefully.

[Son Satan]

From what I know, next episode previews are stored on separate reels. They are not very important, so it can be easily imagined that they have been treated less carefully.

Is it possible that the NEPs for the 35mm episodes were downscaled onto 16mm film?