Was Mr. Satan more useful than Yamucha in DBZ?

[Piccolo Daimao]

It’s nice how pretty much every major event in Dragon Ball is due to freak coincidences.

But yes, technically, Mr. Satan was more useful than Yamcha in the Z portion of the series. Yamcha's time in the spotlight was pretty much over after his Soukidan in his match with God. Then again, after the first arc, his entire role in the series was to serve as a punching bag to show just how awesome stronger characters like Kame-sennin and Tenshinhan were.

[Gaffer Tape]

I mean that they could have gotten the other half of the energy needed without Vegeta turning evil.

No, they couldn't have, because Goku and co. were there to stop them and they would have most likely succeeded had Vegeta stuck with the plan. They might have even had enough time for Goku to give him that fight he'd been wishing for. He handed them the power they needed on a silver platter. That's all there is to it.

Exactly. With the way things were going up to that point, there's practically no way Boo would have been revived if Vegeta had just stuck to the plan and not thrown a hissy fit. Gohan would have defeated Darbra. Or at worst, the other two would have had to jump in and help. And then that would have been it. Jump down the hole, take out Babidi, have Kaioshin buy them shawarmas for a job well done, Goku and Vegeta have their anatomy-measuring contest, and everyone's happy.

[Saiga]

That's just an assumption. Gohan could have also lost against Dabra giving them the energy they needed to bring back Boo, and the same shit happens as before.

[Gaffer Tape]

Again, if Gohan had lost, then the other two (or, hell, three) would have jumped in and turned Darbra into pasty pink bits of nothing. That's not an assumption. That's just common sense. Or do you think they'd really just stand there?

[Michsi]

I think Vegeta was even about to go in and finish the fight himself, because he couldn't stand watching the fight.

[Saiga]

Again, if Gohan had lost, then the other two (or, hell, three) would have jumped in and turned Darbra into pasty pink bits of nothing. That's not an assumption. That's just common sense. Or do you think they'd really just stand there?

No, if Gohan lost, they'd already have the energy. Boom, Majin Boo freed.

If any of them used SS2, they'd just get the energy faster.

Hell, if Boo is stopped then that means Vegeta's actions lead to a better ending - Goku has his life back, the Good Boo gets to live, Mr Satan earns a new friend that brings out his redeeming qualities, the Evil Boo is gone forever, Gohan + Gotenks will be able to protect Earth from new threats, etc.

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's just an assumption. Gohan could have also lost against Dabra giving them the energy they needed to bring back Boo, and the same shit happens as before.

The moment Gokuu and Vegeta think Gohan's starting to lose against Dabra, they'd jump in and one-shot him before more than a little damage, or none at all, could be taken. Heck, it looked as if Vegeta was going to jump in alone, against Gokuu's wishes, before Dabra abruptly stopped the fight.

[Saiga]

That's just an assumption. Gohan could have also lost against Dabra giving them the energy they needed to bring back Boo, and the same shit happens as before.

The moment Gokuu and Vegeta think Gohan's starting to lose against Dabra, they'd jump in and one-shot him before more than a little damage, or none at all, could be taken. Heck, it looked as if Vegeta was going to jump in alone, against Gokuu's wishes, before Dabra abruptly stopped the fight.

Nope, Gohan was already losing, and neither of them did shit.

[Michsi]

No, if Gohan lost, they'd already have the energy. Boom, Majin Boo freed.

What? How? It took two equal powers butting heads, both stronger than Gohan was while fighting Cell, in order to produce enough energy to release Buu. Gohan, despite being weaker than 7 years ago, was still doing okay against Dabra.

Nope, Gohan was already losing, and neither of them did shit.

Because they didn't have the time to. Vegeta looked 2 seconds away from ending it there and then. Simple as that.

[Saiga]

No, if Gohan lost, they'd already have the energy. Boom, Majin Boo freed.

What? How? It took two equal powers butting heads, both stronger than Gohan was while fighting Cell, in order to produce enough energy to release Buu. Gohan, despite being weaker than 7 years ago, was still doing okay against Dabra.

Gohan had already filled half the gauge. Vegeta and Goku filled the gauge quicker, because they accumulated damage faster in their transformed states. That doesn't mean it's impossible for Dabra to get the energy out of Gohan, it just wouldn't be so quick.

[Michsi]

it just wouldn't be so quick.

Which makes all the difference. As I said, Dabra gets defeated, end of the Buu problem.

[Saiga]

it just wouldn't be so quick.

Which makes all the difference. As I said, Dabra gets defeated, end of the Buu problem.

It only makes a difference if Goku and Vegeta cut into the fight, which they don't show any plans to do so.

[Michsi]

which they don't show any plans to do so.

For the third time, yes they do. Vegeta does, very loudly in fact. Goku asks him not to do that to Gohan, but he clearly wasn't about to listen. And even so, it's in that moment that Dabra notices that there is evil in him. The turning point here is when Babidi plans to take over him, when the fight between Dabra and Gohan was interupted. All he had to do was say no and that was it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's just an assumption. Gohan could have also lost against Dabra giving them the energy they needed to bring back Boo, and the same shit happens as before.

The moment Gokuu and Vegeta think Gohan's starting to lose against Dabra, they'd jump in and one-shot him before more than a little damage, or none at all, could be taken. Heck, it looked as if Vegeta was going to jump in alone, against Gokuu's wishes, before Dabra abruptly stopped the fight.

Nope, Gohan was already losing, and neither of them did shit.

Bullshit, Gohan wasn't losing. Him and Dabra roughly rivaled each other in strength, and by the end of it, Gohan had broken Dabra's sword and both of them were panting. Bobbodi was also shown annoyed at the fact that Dabra wasn't dealing enough damage to Gohan, just like how Vegeta was shown annoyed at the fact that Gohan was weaker than at the Cell Games and hadn't finished off Dabra yet.

Vegeta looked as if he was about to do something when he lost his temper and started complaining about how the only reason he came was to fight only Gokuu, which Dabra noticed and stopped the fight before Vegeta could jump in. I doubt Vegeta would've stood there idly for long if Gohan wasn't showing any signs of defeating Dabra.

[Saiga]

Vegeta says he'll finish it, but doesn't budge from where he is and does nothing. Goku definitely doesn't want to interfere with the fight.

And I guess it's subjective as to how Gohan was doing but to me it looks like he's losing.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vegeta says he'll finish it, but doesn't budge from where he is and does nothing. Goku definitely doesn't want to interfere with the fight.

And I guess it's subjective as to how Gohan was doing but to me it looks like he's losing.

Like people have said repeatedly, that's before Dabra abruptly ends the damn fight before he can do anything. After Vegeta says he'll finish it, Gokuu replies that he still has a chance, to which Vegeta yells that he's had enough of this and that the only reason he came was to fight Gokuu. Dabra notices and stops the fight, confusing everyone.

And I don't know how you got Gohan losing from a couple of pages of their brief fight, the two of them ending looking equally tired, and both Bobbodi and Vegeta complaining that neither of them are dealing enough damage to each other.

[Saiga]

But from what is there, it seems like nothing more than typical Vegeta smack talk, without any real intent.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But from what is there, it seems like nothing more than typical Vegeta smack talk, without any real intent.

Even if it was, he and/or Gokuu would've eventually stepped in if it looked as if Gohan was taking too much damage. Gokuu, at least, wanted to limit the amount of damage given to Boo, since he didn't want to fight Vegeta until they averted the Boo crisis and initially thought that he'd be able to finish him quickly without taking much damage before Vegeta transformed into a Super Saiyan 2.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Both of them knew just how urgent it was to finish up everything quickly. Gokuu, to revert Piccolo & Kuririn back to normal by killing Dabra, stop Boo from awakening, and, according to Kaioushin, potentially destroying Earth and/or the universe. Vegeta, so he could finally have his rematch with Gokuu on the one day he'd be able to reside in the living realm.

[roidrage]

Vegeta says he'll finish it, but doesn't budge from where he is and does nothing. Goku definitely doesn't want to interfere with the fight.

And I guess it's subjective as to how Gohan was doing but to me it looks like he's losing.

Like people have said repeatedly, that's before Dabra abruptly ends the damn fight before he can do anything. After Vegeta says he'll finish it, Gokuu replies that he still has a chance, to which Vegeta yells that he's had enough of this and that the only reason he came was to fight Gokuu. Dabra notices and stops the fight, confusing everyone.

And I don't know how you got Gohan losing from a couple of pages of their brief fight, the two of them ending looking equally tired, and both Bobbodi and Vegeta complaining that neither of them are dealing enough damage to each other.

For what it's worth, Gohan is consistently shown to be the one sweating and trying to keep up with Dabra, not the other way around, and the dialogue places more emphasis on how much trouble Gohan is having; how Dabra is doing is only brought up once by Babidi, and even then he says Dabra needs to do more damage, which could be interpreted as less that they're evenly matched and more that Gohan is evading him too well. So it's not a curb-stomp, but it's not really equal either; it seems Gohan has the disadvantage, but he's good enough at defending so that Babidi's getting impatient.

[hleV]

Even if it was, he and/or Gokuu would've eventually stepped in if it looked as if Gohan was taking too much damage. Gokuu, at least, wanted to limit the amount of damage given to Boo, since he didn't want to fight Vegeta until they averted the Boo crisis and initially thought that he'd be able to finish him quickly without taking much damage before Vegeta transformed into a Super Saiyan 2.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gonna end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Both of them knew just how urgent it was to finish up everything quickly. Gokuu, to revert Piccolo & Kuririn back to normal by killing Dabra, stop Boo from awakening, and, according to Kaioushin, potentially destroying Earth and/or the universe. Vegeta, so he could finally have his rematch with Gokuu on the one day he'd be able to reside in the living realm.

Goku didn't go SSJ3, so he wasn't THAT urgent.