Typical DB bashing comments you are sick of. (read OP)

[penguintruth]

DBZ games tend to be tournament fighting games, right? You really need an English language version of a game that's just "beat the other person up"?

[Avenged]

Wasnt speaking of DBZ, then again there are DBZ rpg games where you kinda need to know whats being said.

[Hellspawn28]

I think people who bash the Japanese version just don't like reading subs. It's the same type of people don't want to a foreign film like The Seven Samurai because it's not dubbed in English .

[matt0044]

DBZ games tend to be tournament fighting games, right? You really need an English language version of a game that's just "beat the other person up"?

Well, the Japanese speech would seem jarring for a US release.

[Bussani]

I remember Budokai 1 came out here with the voices in Japanese (and also with hilarious subtitles). I wonder if anyone here found that jarring. Eh, I'm sure some did, but then again, that isn't the point Mike was making.

GT

I'm baffled as to how "GT" is a typical Dragon Ball bashing comment you're tired of. Do you mean you're tired of people bashing GT?

[Zestanor]

but it is more convenient to watch or play the English version.

I don't understand.

I'm gonna take a jab at this one. Once you've watched the entire anime, it's no longer as entertaining the second time. Subtitles require your undivided attention; no multitasking. So you have a choice: give your undivided attention and suffer minor boredom during certain parts, or run the show in the background and look up every five seconds for the translation. Or, you could have your dub of choice playing in the background and watch with your peripheral vision.

The third option is the most 'convenient,' but I tend to go with option two: look up every couple of seconds for the subtitles.

[Ringworm128]

"The Japanese voices sound gay."

"The Japanese music sounds gay."

"Kai doesn't have all those cool lines like, 'Ally to good, nightmare to you!'"

Those are things people who watch the show would say. Let's keep this on topic.

[AgitoZ]

Those are things people who watch the show would say.

You never gave any criteria on who had to be doing the bashing.

[Scarz]

Not technically DB bashing but I still think it fits: "Toriyama can't draw cute and sexy girls."

Hate... pure hate...

[DBZAOTA482]

Not technically DB bashing but I still think it fits: "Toriyama can't draw cute and sexy girls."

Hate... pure hate...

Ikr it's almost impossible for there to be an non-kawaii anime/manga girl (which is likely because so many of them look shockingly similar) unless they're meant to look really ugly.

[Ringworm128]

DBZ games tend to be tournament fighting games, right? You really need an English language version of a game that's just "beat the other person up"?

Sometimes people get really used to certain voices. I was so used to hearing Fox's Japanese voice yelling "FAIYAAAA!!!" In the first two Super Smash Bros. So when I played Brawl I found Walkers "fire!" just plain strange even though it was just a fighting game. Also some people just prefer things in their native language no matter how little dialogue there is.

[Saiga]

"Dragon Ball is the same as Dragon Ball Z and it sucks."

The first part is true at least.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

, not some dub with a few jokes about weasels and ducks.

I'm pretty sure DB-bashing folks wouldn't try to justify the Japanese version as the far superior product by blaming the quality (or lack th ereof) of the dub for the negative stigma towards the show.

I have actually heard people say things like that about the dub. Granted, it's not the most common one I hear, but I hear it enought for it to get on my nerves. Another point I will concede is that the dub is most likely part of the reason non-fans find the series so silly. The jokes about ducks and perhaps the rock music in some of the movies (but definitely not any of Faulconer's score) are probably factors.


However, for me, it's like the claim I hear from both sides that the dub is responsible for DBZ's popularity in the West or that its popularity would've been much greater had it not been so heavily edited. It's hard to prove or disprove, but we can use common sense. Dragon Ball Z is a children's show or a show of which children were the main audience. Not to be rude, but children aren't known for being very discerning. They would have loved the series, and their older siblings would have rolled their eyes at it, regardless of whether there were a few jokes about ducks or whether there was any silence amid all the music in the background.


Whether the changes were rightful or necessary is irrelevant because they weren't made with you in mind. Ranting about the dub being a demon spawn brought forth by Satan himself to brainwash the feeble-minded is, at best, pointless considering it was made for a different culture at a different time and for a different group of people within that culture. Those people have since grown up but still like that version of the series because of nostlagia. That's personally why I like it. Yes, dubbies are biased when they argue in favour of the dub, but we're all biased to some extent. Some are just less open about their biases than others


This kind of thing always happens in these "What comments are you sick of hearing?" threads. Someone posts something about the dub being unfairly criticized or something like, "You know, we should really stop dwelling on the dub; it's ancient history. You don't see the French ranting about how bad monarchy was, whether or not it was actually bad. Let's talk about Kai." Someone then butts in and tries to prove us all "wrong", as if it were an objective thing, and the thread dissolves into more dub vs. sub drivel.

[Nex Carnifex]

but it is more convenient to watch or play the English version.

I don't understand.

I'm gonna take a jab at this one. Once you've watched the entire anime, it's no longer as entertaining the second time. Subtitles require your undivided attention; no multitasking. So you have a choice: give your undivided attention and suffer minor boredom during certain parts, or run the show in the background and look up every five seconds for the translation. Or, you could have your dub of choice playing in the background and watch with your peripheral vision.

The third option is the most 'convenient,' but I tend to go with option two: look up every couple of seconds for the subtitles.

Why would you watch a show you're not entertained by enough to watch the show???

[Zephyr]

I'm not tired of any DB bashing comments. I ignore them because, well, haters gon' hate.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I remember Budokai 1 came out here with the voices in Japanese (and also with hilarious subtitles). I wonder if anyone here found that jarring. Eh, I'm sure some did, but then again, that isn't the point Mike was making.

At first I did, and I was kind of like, "Aw, I wish they had the English voices", but then I just got used to them and it felt natural.

Not technically DB bashing but I still think it fits: "Toriyama can't draw cute and sexy girls."

Hate... pure hate...

Who the hell says that? That's just bullshit! I guess they just want all manga/anime girls to be bug-eyed, indistinguishable stick insects with beach balls attached to their chest.

[Scarz]

Not technically DB bashing but I still think it fits: "Toriyama can't draw cute and sexy girls."

Hate... pure hate...

Who the hell says that? That's just bullshit! I guess they just want all manga/anime girls to be bug-eyed, indistinguishable stick insects with beach balls attached to their chest.

I see that comment a lot on certain anime centric sites. Every time there's an article or a list related to sexy anime girls and someone dares to bring up Bulma, the commenters are quick to jump in and say "Toriyama only knows how to draw bulky guys" or "his women aren't really that sexy". It drives me up the wall!

My boyfriend, who's not a big anime fan, used to say the same thing about Toriyama's women. Of course I didn't agree but I knew he didn't find most animated girls sexy anyway, so I've never really argued with him about it. Then as the years went by and I started drawing more and more lewd things, he quickly came around and said. "Yeah, I think Chichi's pretty sexy in her own way." Now he can't get enough of my art.

I count that as a victory.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Not technically DB bashing but I still think it fits: "Toriyama can't draw cute and sexy girls."

Hate... pure hate...

Who the hell says that? That's just bullshit! I guess they just want all manga/anime girls to be bug-eyed, indistinguishable stick insects with beach balls attached to their chest.

I see that comment a lot on certain anime centric sites. Every time there's an article or a list related to sexy anime girls and someone dares to bring up Bulma, the commenters are quick to jump in and say "Toriyama only knows how to draw bulky guys" or "his women aren't really that sexy". It drives me up the wall!

My boyfriend, who's not a big anime fan, used to say the same thing about Toriyama's women. Of course I didn't agree but I knew he didn't find most animated girls sexy anyway, so I've never really argued with him about it. Then as the years went by and I started drawing more and more lewd things, he quickly came around and said. "Yeah, I think Chichi's pretty sexy in her own way." Now he can't get enough of my art.

I count that as a victory.

But the thing is, I'd wager that most of the sexy anime girls on that article or list are the aforementioned generic, bug-eyed, stick insects with disproportionate breasts where the distinguishable features from each other are their hair. As for Toriyama's drawings of "bulky guys", that only really comes into effect around the Freeza arc, I'd say. Before then, Toriyama drew his characters quite well-rounded; just compare how Toriyama drew child Gokuu at start-of-DB or the 22nd TB, to how he drew them post-Saiyan arc (like that title page in the Freeza arc, when Gokuu's saying something like, "I sure have grown up, ain't I?" besides his child self).

I mean, of course, "sexy" is subjective, but I'd say that Toriyama definitely knows how to draw cute and slender women that are a helluva lot more realistic-looking than the majority of girls in anime nowadays.

DBZ games tend to be tournament fighting games, right? You really need an English language version of a game that's just "beat the other person up"?

I guess it's worth having an English-language version of a game if it has a story mode.

But I never had a problem with PS1-era games like Ultimate Battle 22, whose menus were written in English and were literally just "pick your fighter, beat up your opponent".

[Saiga]

I imagine it would be a royal pain in some of the Tenkaichi 3 story mode battles where you wouldn't be able to read the specific criteria you need to fill to successfully complete the fight.

Customisation would also be a crap shoot.

Unless we're only talking about the voices and not the text.

[VegettoEX]

Unless we're only talking about the voices and not the text.

That is correct -- I've already explained that.

Again, the Japanese voices have been standard inclusions in the North American releases of all the major console Dragon Ball video games since the "Greatest Hits" re-release of Budokai 3. There have been a couple odd ones out in the mix there (Super Dragon Ball Z was dub-only; Attack of the Saiyans on the DS was Japanese voices only; most other DS games were dub-only), but yeah... it's right there, easy to change, accessible, doesn't affect anything other than the voices themselves, etc.

That all being said, my Japanese is shit and I easily played through every single game on the PS2 in Japanese along with a sprinkle of other ones on handhelds. If I can do it, you can do it.