The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

You think the Buu Saga is more easily understood power wise than the Freeza and Cell Saga? You are talking out of your butt with that. That's lol worthy.

Is that what I said? No? Then why jump to such conclusions? I just said that pre-Boo wasn't perfect either.

And considering power level is basically half the story , I think your wrong again.

It really isn't. Otherwise there wouldn't be any story before or after the Saiyan-Freeza arcs.

[Mjb1985]

I don't know but whatever your saying Buu Saga certainly isn't more of same old same old. It's completely different than the other sagas and it's power suggestions are all over the place unlike the other sagas.

I wasn't speaking about scouters. I was speaking about how power and ki is basically half the story in Dragonball. It's all about is this guy stronger or that guy stronger.

[Saiga]

I don't know but whatever your saying Buu Saga certainly isn't more of same old same old. It's completely different than the other sagas and it's power suggestions are all over the place unlike the other sagas.

I'm not saying the Boo saga is the same-old either, but as far as power suggestions go it isn't a great deal more vague than the arcs preceding it.

I wasn't speaking about scouters. I was speaking about how power and ki is basically half the story in Dragonball. It's all about is this guy stronger or that guy stronger.

It's not half the story. Base Goku's power compared to Good Boo has absolutely no bearing on the narrative, for example. The power comparisons are pretty clear when it's important.

[Kaboom]

Let's please be careful with the haughty and dismissive attitude please, Mjb1985. Contrary to what some may believe, Dragon Ball really isn't "all 'bout the power levels" and plenty of people appreciate and love the series without caring about or over-analyzing that aspect of it.

Anyway... Don't forget, there was no indication of any "no Super Saiyan" rule this time around like there was at the 25th Tournament. Nobody would have necessarily been expected to contend with Mister Boo in just their base forms.

And yeah, like Saiga said there's no decisive indication that base Goku is on the level of any form of Majin Boo anyway. He got Oob ticked off enough to get a taste of his power and confirm that he was the reincarnated Boo like he expected... but Goku was losing that particular bout. Once Oob got really mad and tapped into more power, Goku was on the defensive the whole time.

If Oob got mad, flared his power up like crazy and attacked Goku, who confirmed "you really are just as strong as Boo!"... and then Goku downed him in one punch, then that'd be a different story.

[Mjb1985]

Dragonball Z is about fighting on a universal level. What determines if a fighter will win or not is generally based upon the power they have.

I mentioned the whole No SSJ Rule aspect. I never said I necessarily agreed with the suggestion of Base Goku being so strong, all I said was that if he was super strong, he still wouldn't be as strong as SSJ3 Goku.

[Mystic Gohan]

I agree with that post on the other page about goku and uub. IMO, Uub (Enraged) = Kid Buu > Base Goku > Good Buu makes total sense to me.

[Mjb1985]

Yea that's my point. We can sit here and argue all day about hey was Goku really that strong or not, but it's pointless. Some people are going to interpret things differently. What we can agree on, is maximum and minimal ranges, and do it within reason.

Yea, if Goku has to be that strong, that's the area I feel comfortable with...



Base Gotenks Post > SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu = Uub ( Enraged ) > Uub = Base Goku ( 28th ) > Good Buu


Seems pretty good. We can see that Goku is still nowhere near Gotenks Post Rosat power, but would have surpassed his Pre Rosat power I would think...

[Mystic Gohan]

I think at the EoZ Goku is probably ahead of SSJ Gotenks (Post). His SSJ blows away SSJ Gotenks (Pre) and is probably approaching Base Gotenks (Post). SSJ2 puts him ahead of Base Gotenks (Post) and SSJ3 IMO puts him ahead of SSJ Gotenks (Post) and nearing SSJ2 Gotenks.

[Mjb1985]

I disagree strongly. Goku 28th Budokai should be child's play for Gotenks Post...


Base Gotenks Post > Super Saiyan Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku = Uub Enraged > Uub = Base Goku 28th > Good Buu


Is how I feel. You don't think Base Gotenks Post surpassed SSJ Gotenks Pre even though it's indirectly stated?

[Mystic Gohan]

That is what i think...SSJ3 Gotenks >>> SSJ2 Gotenks >>> SSJ Gotenks (Post) >>> Base Gotenks (Post) >>> SSJ Pre > SSJ3 Goku. But in the 28th, with his Base approaching his Buu Saga SSJ3, his SSJ3 could easily be nearing SSJ2 Gotenks.

[Piccolo Daimao]

You guys are crazy. There, I've said it.

[Mystic Gohan]

Thanks babe.

[Mjb1985]

This is just the other end of the spectrum PD. It might seem crazy to you but a lot of other forums have respectable members who agree with logic like this in unison. Everyone has a different interpretation of the story though.

@ Mystic Gohan

Oh ok, I didn't see what you were saying there at first...

I would think Base Goku ( 28th Budokai ) would be closer to Good Buu than Kid Buu though... I know by approaching you mean hey he went from Yakkon's power to a Buu level powered, but just saying...

[Mystic Gohan]

Yeah i agree that Goku is prolly closer to Good Buu then he is to Kid Buu, but you have to remember how big a gap there is between them. Goku >= Kid Buu >> Fat Buu >> Evil Buu >> Good Buu. I think Goku should still be far superior to Good Buu. Uub (Enraged) >> Goku >> Good Buu IMO.

[Mjb1985]

Yes, there is a huge gap between Kid Buu and Good Buu.

Also if you buy into the


SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Goku

Chain of thought, as well as SSJ being a 10 fold boost, then you would also be buying into SSJ3 being a 10 fold boost at least as well.

So the difference between Kid and Good would be even larger with that in mind...

[Mystic Gohan]

Yeah, i do have SSJ3 being higher than the SSJ boost, to keep Gotenks not too far ahead of SSJ3 Goku. Check your PM's bro.

[Mjb1985]

Ok. Yes, I play around with the idea of having SSJ3 > SSJ multiplier wise as well based on my feelings of Base Gotenks >> SSJ2 Goku as opposed to SSJ Gotenks > SSj3 Goku. Doesn't necessarily have to be the case though..

[DBZAOTA482]

SSJ3 Goku has a good chance of destroying SSJ3 Gotenks (as long as he doesn't tire out) since while Gotenks is stronger, Goku has far more experience as a fighter and can play mind games with him.

Also, my contribution:



Chichi (violent temperment) vs Vegeta (violent... nature); because I just like seeing them together.

[mysticboy]

^ Chi-Chi rapes him.

SSJ3 Broly vs. Kid Buu

[Mystic Gohan]

SSJ Broly (M10) = LSSJ Broly M8 > MSSJ Goku M8 = Cell Games Goku IMO. Broly wins.