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ringworm128 wrote:I can't believe nobody has mentioned Goku and Vegeta breaking the Potara Earings before their battle with Kid Buu.
I believe this has to do with Goku understanding Vegeta more than anything else...
They are given the earrings a second time and Goku is the one to turn them down. To me, it made me feel like Goku actually realized Vegeta was far from comfortable to be fused with him and he respected that decision. 9_9
Still stupid though considering THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE is supposed to be at stake. EDIT: Yay 900 posts!
Freeza for the entirety of Namek. He could have ended all of his troubles on sooooo many occasions it's not even funny. Of course he feels other people should do the work for him, but if he just got off his ass and just killed his enemies then he would have got the dragon balls no problem and wouldn't have to deal with so much resistance which just pissed him off.
-freeza not killing vegeta, gohan, krillin when he had several chances
-freeza not killing piccolo when he had several chances
-freeza not killing goku when he had several chances
-freeza not putting someone half capable watching vegeta (should of used zarbon not appule)
-freeza not blowing up earth to save him the trouble of fighting goku or anyone
-freeza sending the ginyu force to fight for him when if he did the job himself everything would have been over
-freeza wasting his time fighting nail when he could of just threatened the elder namek
the list goes on most likely.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Freeza for the entirety of Namek. He could have ended all of his troubles on sooooo many occasions it's not even funny. Of course he feels other people should do the work for him, but if he just got off his ass and just killed his enemies then he would have got the dragon balls no problem and wouldn't have to deal with so much resistance which just pissed him off.
-freeza not killing vegeta, gohan, krillin when he had several chances
-freeza not killing piccolo when he had several chances
-freeza not killing goku when he had several chances
-freeza not putting someone half capable watching vegeta (should of used zarbon not appule)
-freeza not blowing up earth to save him the trouble of fighting goku or anyone
-freeza sending the ginyu force to fight for him when if he did the job himself everything would have been over
-freeza wasting his time fighting nail when he could of just threatened the elder namek
the list goes on most likely.
Such arrogant really became the end of him, huh? I mean, to be fair, he was the most powerful and sadistic being in the universe (before Goku becoming a SSJ) so with such a reputation and an entire organization to run the universe with, could you blame him for how he turned out and indulging himself? Plus, he wanted to battle Goku man to man on Earth given how much he humiliated him on Namek so he could return the favor. He favors his satisfactory than taking things the easy way out. Stupid but in character.
dbzfan7 wrote:Freeza for the entirety of Namek. He could have ended all of his troubles on sooooo many occasions it's not even funny. Of course he feels other people should do the work for him, but if he just got off his ass and just killed his enemies then he would have got the dragon balls no problem and wouldn't have to deal with so much resistance which just pissed him off.
-freeza not killing vegeta, gohan, krillin when he had several chances
-freeza not killing piccolo when he had several chances
-freeza not killing goku when he had several chances
-freeza not putting someone half capable watching vegeta (should of used zarbon not appule)
-freeza not blowing up earth to save him the trouble of fighting goku or anyone
-freeza sending the ginyu force to fight for him when if he did the job himself everything would have been over
-freeza wasting his time fighting nail when he could of just threatened the elder namek
the list goes on most likely.
Such arrogant really became the end of him, huh? I mean, to be fair, he was the most powerful and sadistic being in the universe (before Goku becoming a SSJ) so with such a reputation and an entire organization to run the universe with, could you blame him for how he turned out and indulging himself? Plus, he wanted to battle Goku man to man on Earth given how much he humiliated him on Namek so he could return the favor. He favors his satisfactory than taking things the easy way out. Stupid but in character.
isn't that the point of this thread
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:
isn't that the point of this thread
I was just adding my two cents to your post.
ok i'm just making sure i'm following the thread rules
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I don't know whether or not someone's mentioned this yet, but how about a cut-in-half Freeza attacking Super Saiyan Gokuu, after being spared twice, with what little ki he had left? And he was losing even before he sliced himself in half, which is why Gokuu called it quits.
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Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Hades wrote:Super Buu not absorbing Gohan at the first possible opportunity.
It wasn't stupid because he whooped Gohan's ass.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
This scene is what I mean. People say that Piccolo should've saved the guy and that's true but they forget that he's likely scared shitless of the powerful bug guy absorbing the fat man. It's easy for them to criticize him because they forget to put themselves in the character's shoes.
shreddinghead wrote:Is it just me or did Bulma act unusually silly and superficial, even by her standards, during the freeza sagas?
Almost all those scenes of Bulma being bitchy and whiny are filler. She only snapped once or twice in the manga because she didn't know what was going on.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
shreddinghead wrote:Is it just me or did Bulma act unusually silly and superficial, even by her standards, during the freeza sagas?
Almost all those scenes of Bulma being bitchy and whiny are filler. She only snapped once or twice in the manga because she didn't know what was going on.
I have the dragon ball manga box in my possession and i love it. I would just love to get my hands on the dragon ball z manga box
Hades wrote:Super Buu not absorbing Gohan at the first possible opportunity.
It wasn't stupid because he whooped Gohan's ass.
I meant when Super Buu was being wailed upon. He could have lured Gohan into a trap and absorbed him there and then.
That's more of the Majin Boo Saga having very spontaneous, and poor-writing than Boo being stupid. His ability to absorb people was introduced soley for the sake of screwing Gohan over, so Goku can contrivantly save the day.
It's even more obvious in the manga since there, Bootenks immediately has the upperhand.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
The spontaneous retcon (I guess it's a retcon...) still makes Boo stupid. Maybe before it was introduced, but it still makes him dumb.
Also, how is Boo "whooping Gohan's ass" an argument against calling him dumb? Overwhelming power does not equal intelligence. Unless you count the mind games thing, but isn't that filler?
Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
Oh yeah, Boo wanted someone to test his newfound strength on and.....yeah still stupid.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
