What if Piccolo didn't die?

[Piccolo Daimao]

What if Piccolo didn't die against Nappa and held out until Gokuu came? How do you think the battle with Vegeta would proceed after that? Would they still go to Namek?

[shonenhikada]

If piccolo didn't die these events will happen

1. Gohan would stay with piccolo, and carry him back to korin to get him a senzu bean.

2. Krillin would probably follow suit

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting pikkon and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

6. Goku is revived by the namekian dragon ball eventually, with the first wish. Freeza shows up and the REMAINING event finishes up as in the cannon manga with goku defeating Freeza as a super saiyan, without piccolo, or vegeta fight ever happening.

7. The series then proceeds on as in the rest of the cannon manga, with the exception that piccolo never fuses with nails and the gap between goku and piccolo/vegeta is bigger.

[Fox666]

I don't think he would interfere in the battle beetween Goku and Vegeta, like Kuririn and Gohan. The difference I can see is that he may be able to take down Vegeta on his own after he was hit by the Genki-Dama.

[DBZAOTA482]

Vegeta might get killed with Piccolo as aid but they'll have to go to Planet Namek to revive Piccolo and the others because Piccolo would end up dying not-too-long after the battle with Vegeta.

[Cipher]

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends.

Why would they go to Namek if Piccolo were still alive? Yes, Chaozu (and in your scenario, Goku) would've died twice and be unable to come back, but no one knew the Namekian Dragon Balls could revive people multiple times until they got there.

Anyway, what happens if Piccolo survives the battle with Vegeta? No one goes to Namek except Vegeta, who is slaughtered by Freeza. The main cast lives in relative peace until they're killed by the Androids four years later.

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[shonenhikada]

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends.

Why would they go to Namek if Piccolo were still alive? Yes, Chaozu (and in your scenario, Goku) would've died twice and be unable to come back, but no one knew the Namekian Dragon Balls could revive people multiple times until they got there.

Anyway, what happens if Piccolo survives the battle with Vegeta? No one goes to Namek except Vegeta, who is slaughtered by Freeza. The main cast lives in relative peace until they're killed by the Androids four years later.

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Ah dude if you would have read points 3,4,5 properly you would understand

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting Paikuhan and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

[Hellspawn28]

I think during the battle with Goku and Vegeta, Piccolo would likely turn giant to rip off Vegeta's tail off. If he does not get killed then they all stay on Earth and Vegeta dies on Namek from The Ginyu Force or Freeza. Everyone on Earth lives a normal life until #17 and #18 come. Cell would be weaker since he would have no cells from Freeza but I think he could still able to adsorbed them to become his perfect form.

[Cipher]

Ah dude if you would have read points 3,4,5 properly you would understand

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting Paikuhan and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

But, uh, ignoring the fact that "also, Goku dies again," isn't part of the hypothetical premise we're discussing nor a fairly certain outcome, why would they go to Namek in the first place? If Piccolo's still alive, they can use the Dragon Balls on Earth. And remember, none of them knew the Dragon Balls on Namek were any different.

The thing about Dragon Ball is, due to its power-scaling, haphazard plotting and inevitable threats like the Androids and Boo, almost any divergence from what we see leads to deaths of the main characters and the destruction of Earth. (Unless you start creating wildly speculative scenarios to get around it, like Goku training with Paikuhan or whatever, and at that point, why even discuss the what-if in the first place?)

The fate of the universe hinges on Piccolo dying in the Saiyan arc. Sucks to be him.

[shonenhikada]

Ah dude if you would have read points 3,4,5 properly you would understand

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting Paikuhan and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

But, uh, ignoring the fact that "also, Goku dies again," isn't part of the hypothetical premise we're discussing nor a fairly certain outcome, why would they go to Namek in the first place? If Piccolo's still alive, they can use the Dragon Balls on Earth. And remember, none of them knew the Dragon Balls on Namek were any different.

The thing about Dragon Ball is, due to its power-scaling, haphazard plotting and inevitable threats like the Androids and Boo, almost any divergence from what we see leads to deaths of the main characters and the destruction of Earth. The fate of the universe hinges on Piccolo dying in the Saiyan arc. Sucks to be him.

Read through all my points. The point fo the article from my understanding is if piccolo didn't die from nappa's attack and lived. I'm merely stating the outcome that i believe. The only reason goku wasn't killed by vegeta was because krillin and gohan intervene long enough for yajirobe to cut off his tail, if they had gone to get piccolo a senzu bean which is logical thing both gohan, krillin and goku would have suggested, keeping in their character then goku would of died since they would be to far away from the location to get in time.

[Bussani]

Read through all my points. The point fo the article from my understanding is if piccolo didn't die from nappa's attack and lived. I'm merely stating the outcome that i believe. The only reason goku wasn't killed by vegeta was because krillin and gohan intervene long enough for yajirobe to cut off his tail, if they had gone to get piccolo a senzu bean which is logical thing both gohan, krillin and goku would have suggested, keeping in their character then goku would of died since they would be to far away from the location to get in time.

You've missed his point twice now. Why would they go to Namek if Piccolo hadn't died? They didn't know the Namekian balls had different rules, and they didn't find out they could bring back someone who's been brought back already until the end of the Freeza arc.

Also, Karin didn't have any more senzu beans. He gave his last two to Goku, and Goku ate one immediately. The last was split in half and given to Gohan and Kuririn. If Piccolo had needed one desperately, they probably would have had to give it to him, but that would probably leave Kuririn and Gohan too weak to help out like they did in the actual story. Even if, in this what-if scenario, Piccolo wasn't on the verge of death when Goku arrived, he'd still need a bean to be of any use. Would Goku split it in three? Would a third of a bean be enough for the three of them?

[shonenhikada]

Read through all my points. The point fo the article from my understanding is if piccolo didn't die from nappa's attack and lived. I'm merely stating the outcome that i believe. The only reason goku wasn't killed by vegeta was because krillin and gohan intervene long enough for yajirobe to cut off his tail, if they had gone to get piccolo a senzu bean which is logical thing both gohan, krillin and goku would have suggested, keeping in their character then goku would of died since they would be to far away from the location to get in time.

You've missed his point twice now. Why would they go to Namek if Piccolo hadn't died? They didn't know the Namekian balls had different rules, and they didn't find out they could bring back someone who's been brought back already until the end of the Freeza arc.

Also, Karin didn't have any more senzu beans. He gave his last two to Goku, and Goku ate one immediately. The last was split in half and given to Gohan and Kuririn. If Piccolo had needed one desperately, they probably would have had to give it to him, but that would probably leave Kuririn and Gohan too weak to help out like they did in the actual story. Even if, in this what-if scenario, Piccolo wasn't on the verge of death when Goku arrived, he'd still need a bean to be of any use. Would Goku split it in three? Would a third of a bean be enough for the three of them?

Well keeping in character wouldn't you think Gohan and Krillin would of gone anyway in a desperate attempt to see if they could revive goku seeing that he's the best chance earth has against villians ?

Also was goku aware karin had no more senzu beans ?

[CaBrPi]

They wouldn't go to Namek, so Chaozu would have to stay dead. Freeza would have no one to keep him from getting the Dragon Balls on Namek, so he'd get them all, but, not knowing the password, never achieve immortality. Then, approximately four years later, they'd all die anyway, when the Androids attack. And there would be no Trunks, because there's no way Piccolo would let Vegeta get away alive, so the earth would be pretty much doomed to rule by a pair of twin assholes.

If Freeza, for whatever reason, did decide to come to Earth, he'd be killed by either #19 and #20 or by #17 and #18. And perhaps #16 as well.

[Bussani]

Well keeping in character wouldn't you think Gohan and Krillin would of gone anyway in a desperate attempt to see if they could revive goku seeing that he's the best chance earth has against villians ?

I don't know. I suppose I'd believe that they'd go to Namek not to use their dragon balls, but to ask them, the experts who should know more about them than Kami, if there's anything that can be done to restore Goku to life.

Also was goku aware karin had no more senzu beans ?

Yes. Karin tells him that they're his last two when he gives them to him.

[Zephyr]

DBZ movies 2-4 happen.

[Cipher]

DBZ movies 2-4 happen.

My God.

It ... it's true. (If you close your eyes for the thirty seconds Chaozu's on screen in Movie 3.)

[Zephyr]

DBZ movies 2-4 happen.

My God.

It ... it's true. (If you close your eyes for the thirty seconds Chaozu's on screen in Movie 3.)

Weeeellllll......

It could be assumed that DBZ Movie 1 also happened prior to Raditz' arrival on Earth, thus making the heroes aware of Gohan's power, thus altering the battle with Nappa so that Chaozu and Piccolo survive. I guess.

[dario03]

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends.

Why would they go to Namek if Piccolo were still alive? Yes, Chaozu (and in your scenario, Goku) would've died twice and be unable to come back, but no one knew the Namekian Dragon Balls could revive people multiple times until they got there.

Anyway, what happens if Piccolo survives the battle with Vegeta? No one goes to Namek except Vegeta, who is slaughtered by Freeza. The main cast lives in relative peace until they're killed by the Androids four years later.

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Ah dude if you would have read points 3,4,5 properly you would understand

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting Paikuhan and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

Even if Yajirobe cuts off Vegeta's tail I don't see how the Z warriors could stop Vegeta if Goku isn't there to give them the spirit bomb. Perhaps he would just leave to go after the Namek Dragonballs but if he wants to he could just kill everybody before doing that, or he might not even leave if he thinks he can get them to talk now that he doesn't have to worry about Kakarot. And I forget how long he needed to heal but if it was a long time then maybe since he wouldn't have to do that then he could of got to Namek before Freeza and got the dragonballs. Or even if he doesn't get there first maybe he could of got them some how. He almost did a couple times in the regular story but Gohan and the Ginyu force screw it up. Though he probably wouldn't be able to get his wish since he doesn't speak Namekanese.

[Dr. Machismo]

No one goes to Namek except Vegeta, who is slaughtered by Freeza.

If events on Namek went according to the main story without the Earthlings, Vegeta may have not been slaughtered by Frieza. He did a great job of manipulating Frieza in the saga, so Vegeta probably would have gathered all 7 Dragonballs. He wouldn't know the password to activating them, so he'd probably go search for remaining Namekians, who would be Guru, Nail and Dende. If Vegeta reaches them before he detects the Ginyu Force's ki, he'd probably get killed by Nail. Nail would fight the Ginyu Force, only to be killed. If Vegeta detects the Ginyu Force's ki before he reaches the Namekians, he'd probably flee and make an attack on Earth if he's successful in evading Frieza. Nail would fight the Ginyu Force, only to be killed. If Vegeta detects the Ginyu Force as he's fighting Nail, they'd probably work together to fight the Ginyu Force, but are probably killed eventually.

[Monkey D Goku]

Ah dude if you would have read points 3,4,5 properly you would understand

3. They would of eventually felt vegeta's huge power and would have gone off to fight vegeta, but gotten to late because goku is killed by vegeta.

4. Yajirobe cuts off vegeta tail, and the events of the saiyan saga proceed as in the manga minus Goku.

5. They would of then travelled to planet namek to revive their dead friends. Goku would of trained in other world and gotten stronger, maybe even training and metting Paikuhan and olibu and gain a power level of 3,000,000.

But, uh, ignoring the fact that "also, Goku dies again," isn't part of the hypothetical premise we're discussing nor a fairly certain outcome, why would they go to Namek in the first place? If Piccolo's still alive, they can use the Dragon Balls on Earth. And remember, none of them knew the Dragon Balls on Namek were any different.

The thing about Dragon Ball is, due to its power-scaling, haphazard plotting and inevitable threats like the Androids and Boo, almost any divergence from what we see leads to deaths of the main characters and the destruction of Earth. The fate of the universe hinges on Piccolo dying in the Saiyan arc. Sucks to be him.

Read through all my points. The point fo the article from my understanding is if piccolo didn't die from nappa's attack and lived. I'm merely stating the outcome that i believe. The only reason goku wasn't killed by vegeta was because krillin and gohan intervene long enough for yajirobe to cut off his tail, if they had gone to get piccolo a senzu bean which is logical thing both gohan, krillin and goku would have suggested, keeping in their character then goku would of died since they would be to far away from the location to get in time.

There are too many variables to think about however I think the most likely thing to happen would be that Vegeta would end up dead on Earth. The events would probably be the same except Piccolo never meets King Kai.

[Hellspawn28]

I still Giant Piccolo vs. Oozaru Vegeta would be a cool fight to see. I'm pretty sure they will be around the same size since I remember some people saying that Giant Piccolo in the 23rd TB was bigger then an Oozaru?

DBZ movies 2-4 happen.

Didn't show they Piccolo dieing as a flash back in Movie 2? It been years since I seen the film but I'm going from what I can remember.