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Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:55 pm

"Mystic" is a fan term (English-only, at that), so the likelihood of Toriyama saying that is less than 0%. Somehow.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:57 pm

Mystic Gohan & Super Buu? It's impossible for Toriyama to have named them like this.
As for the statement, I don't think he said something like that, though the statement is correct.

AnimeMaakuo · Post by **AnimeMaakuo** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:59 pm

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:33 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:I don't have my Daizenshuu books with me, so I can't check. They said that this was stated by Toriyama in the second Daizenshuu book on page 114.

"They"?

Can somebody please verify this? Thank You.

Yeah, as has already been said it's a complete fabrication and if you look in the second Daizenshuu, page 114 doesn't even feature "Mystic Gohan".
It would have been slightly more believable, if they had said it was on page 117, as that page has "Mystic Gohan".

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Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:42 pm

Sigh. I don't wanna sound glib or pessimistic, but why do I have a feeling "they" is a certain wiki about a certain Dragon Ball whose name is derived from putting those two concepts together in a certain order?

Cipher · Post by **Cipher** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:59 pm

Honest question: Has Toriyama ever said anything in interviews or guidebooks about characters' relative strength, other than, if I recall correctly, joking about Mr. Satan being equivalent to a particular real-world pro-wrestler?

Seems like there could be a catch-all answer to threads like these. Or, hell, even an addendum to the site's rumor guide.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:48 pm

I recall him saying in the Adventure special(Demon King Piccolo Arc), that he still didn't think Goku could beat Arale in a fight and when asked about Bra's strength in Daizenshuu 4, he just said that he thinks she's strong and of course the Mr. Satan example.

In his interviews they mostly talk about new background information, the author's own views on the characters, the production of the manga and the themes present. Discussions about characters' strength compared to one another are very rare.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:00 pm

No.

Well, that was easy.

Saiyajin no Tatsujin · Post by **Saiyajin no Tatsujin** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:12 pm

"Awakened Gohan" sounds better.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:30 pm

Well first off, just about everything that's in the daizenshuu guides wasn't written by Toriyama. The daizenshuu were compiled by an outside company that had access to most of the original material. Toriyama did a few interviews, a "Toriyama's Best" top list thingy, and drew the cover art and some insert posters. That was his only involvement, which is why I say 49 out of 50 times you hear a fan say "Toriyama stated (such-and-such) in the daizenshuu", it's a completely false statement they pulled out of thin air to try and justify their argument. And if they're positive it's there, make them show you.

Secondly, what everyone else said.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:40 pm

I think this was proven to be false before and these type of things have been spreed across the Internet for years. Most fans think Mystic Gohan is the strongest non-fused character given how he own Super Buu better then Gotenks did.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 pm

Son Gohan, Kai's Unlocked Potential

Toriyama didn't said that and damn it that he ever introduced scouters and power levels as it's stigma is carried over to the whole series.

Bluebolt · Post by **Bluebolt** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:50 pm

What's that states official name?
Although I do like the name Mystic, it differentiates itself from the clichéd 'Super', 'Ultimate', 'Ultra', 'Final' whatever. I don't mind Mystic, seems fitting.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:48 am

I don't there is a official name for Gohan after getting his powers unlock. I see people use the term Mystic Gohan for 10 years back in the old Budokai forums on Gamefaqs. I think Mystic sounds more awesome and badass then Ultimate Gohan if you ask me?

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:17 am

Bluebolt wrote:What's that states official name?.

The Strongest Warrior (Saikyou no Senshi) - Series, Daizenshuu 2, and some video games.
Ultimate - Recent video games .

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:42 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
Bluebolt wrote:What's that states official name?.
The Strongest Warrior (Saikyou no Senshi) - Series, Daizenshuu 2, and some video games.
Ultimate - Recent video games .

Isn't he also named Saikyou no Gohan or some thing like that in the Japanese versions of the video games that call him Ultimate Gohan in the English versions?

soulnova · Post by **soulnova** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:43 am

dbgtFO wrote:I recall him saying in the Adventure special(Demon King Piccolo Arc), that he still didn't think Goku could beat Arale in a fight and when asked about Bra's strength in Daizenshuu 4, he just said that he thinks she's strong and of course the Mr. Satan example.

In his interviews they mostly talk about new background information, the author's own views on the characters, the production of the manga and the themes present. Discussions about characters' strength compared to one another are very rare.

Can someone post the actual quote? I wasn't aware he mentioned Bra in any of the Daizenshuu.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:15 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't he also named Saikyou no Gohan or some thing like that in the Japanese versions of the video games that call him Ultimate Gohan in the English versions?

Pretty sure Herms said that the games where he's called Ultimate Gohan just have "Ultimate" written out in Katakana for the Japanese side...

soulnova wrote:Can someone post the actual quote? I wasn't aware he mentioned Bra in any of the Daizenshuu.

It's nothing special, just something along the lines of "Well, I think she's strong".

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:40 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't he also named Saikyou no Gohan or some thing like that in the Japanese versions of the video games that call him Ultimate Gohan in the English versions?
Pretty sure Herms said that the games where he's called Ultimate Gohan just have "Ultimate" written out in Katakana for the Japanese side...

Either way, "Ultimate" is a perfectly fine translation of "saikyou no".

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