Oh, Rocketman, you're so hilariously uptight.Rocketman wrote:I'm not OK with it. I don't read comics that say such things, and if a comic I am reading starts up with that bullshit, I stop reading and don't purchase any more.Also how is it with Gotenks' feat, everyone was going, "FTL is impossible," yet people are A OK when it's a comic character?
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
I guess I should amend that, actually. Star Trek says FTL is impossible, so the starships phase into "subspace" where nothing can travel slower than light. Same with Star Wars and hyperspace.Piccolo Daimao wrote:Oh, Rocketman, you're so hilariously uptight. :PRocketman wrote:I'm not OK with it. I don't read comics that say such things, and if a comic I am reading starts up with that bullshit, I stop reading and don't purchase any more.Also how is it with Gotenks' feat, everyone was going, "FTL is impossible," yet people are A OK when it's a comic character?
Huh? Isn't this the opposite of what I was saying?shonenhikada wrote:So I guess by your logic we should put in science book for DC and Marvel when a character is moving FTL, and debunk it as false, since sciene prove that nothing can go faster than light.
If it were you, and you wanted to show someone slower than light circling the globe in a single panel, how would you do it? It's pretty standard for a comic book. All I'm saying is that talking about how long it would take a light trail to vanish is seriously over-analyzing it.Do you Toriyama or how he thinks ?
Exactly. Toriyama doesn't expect you to calculate all of this stuff either. That's the point I was trying to make. You can either believe in logic that goes, "this happened this fast, which means this was this fast, and this was faster than that, so this has to be at least that fast," as you demonstrated above--which I'm absolutely sure Toriyama never thought about and never expected the young male readers to think about--or you can look at the simple face of things, where characters are impressed by shorter distances, lower speeds, and never zip around the world in milliseconds. Is it inconsistent? Definitely. But if it's inconsistent, then in the end, it doesn't matter which way you prefer, right? You either believe they're faster than light and call anything that contradicts it an inconsistency, or you believe they're slower than light and call anything that contradicts that an inconsistency. Same boat at the end of the day.This isn't about flash BTW, i will agree with you guys that flash does have FTL combat speed because he's shown it on a consistent basis. The scan you provided me shows an impressive feat by flash,and overall it just shows the writer does not know what the hell their talking about. Circumventing the idea then that the author of this story are not physicist, or take into consideration their claim for a character when they give the characters these distances/time without calculating that its in fact actually make sense. I mean they don't really expect people to calculate this they just make up a number, with distance that seems impressive in order to cell comic books.
MY HOLY GRAIL (110% Serious. Please sell me one)Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
I'd go with Alucard since he seems to be almost immortal. He also seems to be pretty fast though I don't recall him showing any super strength.Gonstead wrote:Alucard (Hellsing) vs Dragon Ball characters pre-21st Tenkaichi Budokai
Bussani wrote:Huh? Isn't this the opposite of what I was saying?shonenhikada wrote:So I guess by your logic we should put in science book for DC and Marvel when a character is moving FTL, and debunk it as false, since sciene prove that nothing can go faster than light.
If it were you, and you wanted to show someone slower than light circling the globe in a single panel, how would you do it? It's pretty standard for a comic book. All I'm saying is that talking about how long it would take a light trail to vanish is seriously over-analyzing it.Do you Toriyama or how he thinks ?
Exactly. Toriyama doesn't expect you to calculate all of this stuff either. That's the point I was trying to make. You can either believe in logic that goes, "this happened this fast, which means this was this fast, and this was faster than that, so this has to be at least that fast," as you demonstrated above--which I'm absolutely sure Toriyama never thought about and never expected the young male readers to think about--or you can look at the simple face of things, where characters are impressed by shorter distances, lower speeds, and never zip around the world in milliseconds. Is it inconsistent? Definitely. But if it's inconsistent, then in the end, it doesn't matter which way you prefer, right? You either believe they're faster than light and call anything that contradicts it an inconsistency, or you believe they're slower than light and call anything that contradicts that an inconsistency. Same boat at the end of the day.This isn't about flash BTW, i will agree with you guys that flash does have FTL combat speed because he's shown it on a consistent basis. The scan you provided me shows an impressive feat by flash,and overall it just shows the writer does not know what the hell their talking about. Circumventing the idea then that the author of this story are not physicist, or take into consideration their claim for a character when they give the characters these distances/time without calculating that its in fact actually make sense. I mean they don't really expect people to calculate this they just make up a number, with distance that seems impressive in order to cell comic books.
Your logic was because i brought up photon due to light we should analyze this from a scientific point of view. Which fails when many times comic book characters are said to be faster than light or moving faster than photon, yet you think your precious comic book characters should get a pass while being bias to dragon ball.Huh? Isn't this the opposite of what I was saying?
My interpretation is just as valid as yours. You act like you know what was going on in Toriyama head and his intention. If Toriyama wanted to show that gotenks was taking a progressively long time for each loop, he could easily have made part of each loop be more transparent than the earth drawing, this still allows us to see the paths but also indicate to the reader than it is taking a long time for gotenks to complete the loops. Something like this but a little more transparent, but no he doesn't do this he shows the line full blown thick.If it were you, and you wanted to show someone slower than light circling the globe in a single panel, how would you do it? It's pretty standard for a comic book. All I'm saying is that talking about how long it would take a light trail to vanish is seriously over-analyzing it.
Which is exactly can be used to debunk your so called characters being impress by lower speed claims speed claims, since toriyama wouldn't have expected people to calculate his values, and could have made it up on the top of his head just like the comic book author; remember this was the guy that though 10x would be a good enough number for SSJ transformation, and even felt that 50x was quite large.Toriyama doesn't expect you to calculate all of this stuff either. That's the point I was trying to make. You can either believe in logic that goes, "this happened this fast, which means this was this fast, and this was faster than that, so this has to be at least that fast," as you demonstrated above--which I'm absolutely sure Toriyama never thought about and never expected the young male readers to think about--or you can look at the simple face of things, where characters are impressed by shorter distances, lower speeds, and never zip around the world in milliseconds. Is it inconsistent? Definitely. But if it's inconsistent, then in the end, it doesn't matter which way you prefer, right? You either believe they're faster than light and call anything that contradicts it an inconsistency, or you believe they're slower than light and call anything that contradicts that an inconsistency. Same boat at the end of the day
I thought you were bringing it up. I misinterpreted you. That's my mistake. Just to make it clear, I'm not trying to use logic like that.shonenhikada wrote:Your logic was because i brought up photon due to light we should analyze this from a scientific point of view. Which fails when many times comic book characters are said to be faster than light or moving faster than photon, yet you think your precious comic book characters should get a pass while being bias to dragon ball.
Yes. That's what I was saying. They're both as valid as each other.My interpretation is just as valid as yours.
I suppose he could have, but that doesn't convince me that he intended for us to look at it and say, "He must be going faster than light or the trail would have disappeared." That's still over-thinking a simple panel. I mean, this is the same guy who drew the Earth as a classroom globe at one point in the Cell arc, complete with latitude and longitude lines. In fact, if we're even going to take the height Gotenks is supposedly flying at literally, then we should also take the panel from when Goku left Boss Rabbit on the moon literally and say that Dragon Ball's Earth and moon are a lot closer together than ours (and that their moon is a lot smaller than ours, too).You act like you know what was going on in Toriyama head and his intention. If Toriyama wanted to show that gotenks was taking a progressively long time for each loop, he could easily have made part of each loop be more transparent than the earth drawing
Again, that's exactly my point. I'm not trying to say I'm right--I'm trying to say there are multiple ways of looking at it. I may prefer to take things at face value, but that doesn't mean I'm saying your way's wrong. I'd just rather prioritize the simple facts (i.e. Vegeta thinks Goku's teleporting is just a "cheap trick using super speed" until everyone points out that he went more than 10,000 kilometers in seconds, which to me says they aren't fast enough to go that far in seconds, even though that may contradict someone's calculations) than layers and layers of fan-made math, but that's just me. You don't have to agree with me.Which is exactly can be used to debunk your so called characters being impress by lower speed claims speed claims, since toriyama wouldn't have expected people to calculate his values, and could have made it up on the top of his head just like the comic book author
Which Alucard are we using? Alucard at the end of the manga would beat any pre-21st Tenkaichi character given how he is pretty much impossible to be killed. Pre-EOS Alucard could still win given that he was able to regen from a drop of blood from what I can remember.Gonstead wrote:Alucard (Hellsing) vs Dragon Ball characters pre-21st Tenkaichi Budokai
