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Saiyajin no Tatsujin wrote:I can't help laughing on the inside and thinking "what a damn fool!" whenever I hear someone saying how much the original Japanese voice acting and/or soundtrack sucks.
While I'm a fan of the both the English and Japanese version, I have a friend who will not watch anything to do with the Dragonball franchise if it's in Japanese. and that aggravates me so much! because he's missing out on some great stuff like the Jump Special and others. He's just like ''If it's not in English it doesn't exist'' Ugh....
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Gaffer Tape wrote:I personally don't mind "bashing" of Dragon Ball.
Yeah. Unlike criticism, we shouldn't really justify bashing for the sake of bashing by giving it any attention. No amount of intelligent debate is going to sway a basher's point of view and doing so will only serve to infuriate and frustrate the fans of the series. Not worth the energy.
I don't necessarily think comments about Nozawa, Sabat, Schemmel, etc. are "bashing" unless they are actually phrased along the line of "Sabat effing sucks!" whereas "Nozawa is awful as Goku" comes across more as an expressed opinion (which we're all entitled to even if we don't always agree) based on how it's written.
In the end, the entire point of bashing is to get a reaction, so by responding in any way we're giving the bashers what they want. Who cares what they say? So what if they hate the series for whatever reason? We enjoy and appreciate it, that's all that matters.
Gaffer Tape wrote:I personally don't mind "bashing" of Dragon Ball.
Yeah. Unlike criticism, we shouldn't really justify bashing for the sake of bashing by giving it any attention. No amount of intelligent debate is going to sway a basher's point of view and doing so will only serve to infuriate and frustrate the fans of the series. Not worth the energy.
I don't necessarily think comments about Nozawa, Sabat, Schemmel, etc. are "bashing" unless they are actually phrased along the line of "Sabat effing sucks!" whereas "Nozawa is awful as Goku" comes across more as an expressed opinion (which we're all entitled to even if we don't always agree) based on how it's written.
In the end, the entire point of bashing is to get a reaction, so by responding in any way we're giving the bashers what they want. Who cares what they say? So what if they hate the series for whatever reason? We enjoy and appreciate it, that's all that matters.
You are exactly right!
It really bothers me when the purists bash the dub saying "that's not what it was meant to be" or when others bash the jap dub with "the music sucks!"
It's childish...(mind you we are watching a childrens tv show...)
I myself prefer the dub and us broad cast music, however I still respect and enjoy the original Japanese voices and score. thus out of all the DVD sets I bought dragonbox because of my respect for its release and IMHO the season sets were just a really bad decision by Funi but I know others that do enjoy it. Dragonball Z is what the viewer takes from it, they can enjoy it any way they want it being "right" or "wrong". Who do others think they are saying you can't enjoy something unless it's the way they prefer it.
"If you prefer or like the Japanese your a weeabo"
I wonder if people even know what weeabo means since that kind of labeling doesn't work in this context.
"Kai sucks cause of voice changes and the acting is terrible"
I seriously wonder if people even know what good acting is anymore. The new english cast (even though most is still the same) is doing a waaaay better job now then back in the 90's. I don't care if people prefer the funi dub or ocean, but please don't bash kai for terrible reasons. I can't say much for the Japanese cast since I only watched kai all the way through. I have seen several parts of the original japanese but not episode by episode. I think both are great but I can't fairly judge the z and kai japanese.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:I wonder if people even know what weeabo means since that kind of labeling doesn't work in this context.
Doesn't it? I mean, it's still stupid, but that seems like the right context to me.
Weeabo is when you act Japanese when your not.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:I wonder if people even know what weeabo means since that kind of labeling doesn't work in this context.
Doesn't it? I mean, it's still stupid, but that seems like the right context to me.
Weeabo is when you act Japanese when your not.
Not precisely.
It's when you hold a strong bias towards any facet from Japanese.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
As I understand it, it means "Wapanese" (a.k.a. "Wannabe Japanese) and refers to a person who prefers Japan and Japanese things over their own culture. Acting Japanese when you're not counts as that, I suppose, but its uses are broader than that alone.
Do I agree that favoring the Japanese version of Dragon Ball makes you "wannabe Japanese"? Of course not. It's a hyperbolic insult with no logical grounding. It's like saying: "You like the color green; that means you're a hippy." But...it's supposed to be a stupid, derogatory term, so I don't think they're using it in the wrong context.
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dbzfan7 wrote:I wonder if people even know what weeabo means since that kind of labeling doesn't work in this context.
Doesn't it? I mean, it's still stupid, but that seems like the right context to me.
Weeabo is when you act Japanese when your not.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's when you hold a strong bias towards any facet from Japanese.
Well I guess weeabo is another word with several meanings. Honestly the people who use it are biased to the english dub making them hypocritical to call anyone else biased to support their point. Opinions are fine but don't bash on something cause you don't like it, unless there is a legitimate reason. The one's I hear are complete bullshit.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I like Ocean dub over all other dubs and think they did a stellar job in both music, voice acting, the script not so much. What other dub has been give internet notoriety,its own meme and been mention on Oprah's show ?
Gaffer Tape wrote:I personally don't mind "bashing" of Dragon Ball.
Yeah. Unlike criticism, we shouldn't really justify bashing for the sake of bashing by giving it any attention. No amount of intelligent debate is going to sway a basher's point of view and doing so will only serve to infuriate and frustrate the fans of the series. Not worth the energy.
I don't necessarily think comments about Nozawa, Sabat, Schemmel, etc. are "bashing" unless they are actually phrased along the line of "Sabat effing sucks!" whereas "Nozawa is awful as Goku" comes across more as an expressed opinion (which we're all entitled to even if we don't always agree) based on how it's written.
In the end, the entire point of bashing is to get a reaction, so by responding in any way we're giving the bashers what they want. Who cares what they say? So what if they hate the series for whatever reason? We enjoy and appreciate it, that's all that matters.
I'm sorry, but given that you took that one line out of context, I can't quite tell if you think you're agreeing with me or not. That is, what you said seem to be pretty much what I said too, but I can't tell if you were saying that to refute the one sentence you quoted or to affirm the entire post... or vice versa for that matter!
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Bussani wrote:As I understand it, it means "Wapanese" (a.k.a. "Wannabe Japanese) and refers to a person who prefers Japan and Japanese things over their own culture. Acting Japanese when you're not counts as that, I suppose, but its uses are broader than that alone.
I'm going to use English as the example as it is my native language, so "weeaboo" isn't just liking something because it is Japanese or even preferring the Japanese version, rather it is if you begin using Japanese terms when they're not really appropriate. Such as calling your teacher "Moore-sensei" instead of "Mr. Moore" or obsessively adding "sama" and "chan" or any other Japanese honourifics/words in their every day speech which aren't used in English.
Gaffer Tape wrote:
OutlawTorn wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:I personally don't mind "bashing" of Dragon Ball.
I'm sorry, but given that you took that one line out of context, I can't quite tell if you think you're agreeing with me or not.
Yeah, I left out the kids manga not being one of your sacred cows part of the comment but I agree with what you said. Bashers, at their core, just bash to get a rise out of people so while it may be annoying, the worst thing we could do is "feed the trolls" as it were.
OutlawTorn wrote:I'm going to use English as the example as it is my native language, so "weeaboo" isn't just liking something because it is Japanese or even preferring the Japanese version, rather it is if you begin using Japanese terms when they're not really appropriate. Such as calling your teacher "Moore-sensei" instead of "Mr. Moore" or obsessively adding "sama" and "chan" or any other Japanese honourifics/words in their every day speech which aren't used in English.
That doesn't quite match the definitions I've read, but it's a stupid made up term anyhow, so...yeah.
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Tanooki Kuribo: Maybe I'm old, out of the loop, or just not hip anymore. But what's "weeaboos" ?! Herms: It's a term used by a certain breed of internet half-wit against those with the audacity to point out that the Japanese show said half-wit likes happens to be Japanese.
I personally find this to be a good definition.
Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
Tanooki Kuribo: Maybe I'm old, out of the loop, or just not hip anymore. But what's "weeaboos" ?! Herms: It's a term used by a certain breed of internet half-wit against those with the audacity to point out that the Japanese show said half-wit likes happens to be Japanese.
I personally find this to be a good definition.
That has actually never made sense to me.
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shonenhikada wrote:I like Ocean dub over all other dubs and think they did a stellar job in both music, voice acting, the script not so much. What other dub has been give internet notoriety,its own meme and been mention on Oprah's show ?
It's just a shame those episodes they did are edited, and painful to watch when you know something is missing.
From a little while ago while messing around on Omegle.
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Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
I think the people who say those type of things about the Japanese version can't appreciated it. Just like the people who don't want to watch foreign films because they are not in English.
