Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
Pokewhiz7
I Live Here
Posts: 2196
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:11 pm
Location: United States

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:36 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:First off, that shot's not even from in an episode, it's from an ending theme. ...I think. I remember it in the ending of Legacy of Goku, and I believe it came from the last DBZ ending theme.
Indeed it is.

User avatar
shonenhikada
Banned
Posts: 630
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:26 am

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by shonenhikada » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:First off, that shot's not even from in an episode, it's from an ending theme. ...I think. I remember it in the ending of Legacy of Goku, and I believe it came from the last DBZ ending theme.

Secondly though, I meant that more in regards to these 'system busters' and 'reality warpers' and such. Cool ideas, sure, but they just don't feel like 'Dragon Ball' to me.

And as far as how demons work in Dragon Ball, I'd say that the Kaios and Kaioshin are the 'angels', so getting a Makaioshin or whatever it was from DBO, would be awesome as a villain.

Edit: Not to mini-mod, but that picture's size is pretty big, think you could swap it out for a smaller one, or just leave it as a link?

So you don't think Goku and Vegeta being trapped in japanese tv land, during a fight with an arch angel wouldn't be fun to see and go back to Toriyama's comedic roots ?

SupernatuAL:changing channels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcQpXk4pDs

Watch the episode and tell me that plot wouldn't make a lovely sub plot/scene in the movie.

--
Lastly, yes i know not in the manga and its in the anime, that is why i said so in my post. Yes I will link it.

User avatar
Gyt Kaliba
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8869
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:38 am
Location: Arkansas
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:51 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:First off, that shot's not even from in an episode, it's from an ending theme. ...I think. I remember it in the ending of Legacy of Goku, and I believe it came from the last DBZ ending theme.
Indeed it is.
Thought so, thanks for confirming it for me. I forgot about the cricket-angel Kaio-sama. :lol:
shonenhikada wrote:So you don't think Goku and Vegeta being trapped in japanese tv land, during a fight with an arch angel wouldn't be fun to see and go back to Toriyama's comedic roots ?

SupernatuAL:changing channels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcQpXk4pDs

Watch the episode and tell me that plot wouldn't make a lovely sub plot/scene in the movie.

--
Lastly, yes i know not in the manga and its in the anime, that is why i said so in my post.
No offense, but...no. That just doesn't sound like a very Dragon Ball like plot to me. It'd be cool to see in other series maybe, but not this one. The furthest I'd go is to say that maybe it'd be cool to see them deal with some kind of threat that's digital and exists on the internet or something, but...Digimon and Summer Wars both say hello, they've been there and done that better than DBZ could already.

And that's just it as well - Supernatural already did that, so shouldn't you be happy with it being there? That's a specific plot idea rather than a theme idea, so why see it sullied in over use in everything else? You wouldn't want Super Saiyans in every other show just because of how awesome it is in DBZ would you?

And I know it was in the anime. But it was an ending theme, not part of an episode. Not part of the story, at all. The movies are closer to being in the main storyline than the events in the opening/endings are.
AniManga Travelogue - Currently Reviewing: Dragon Ball (Z)
Twitter
Switch Friend Code: SW-0745-6427-7791 (let's play some Dragon Ball: The Breakers!)

User avatar
Aoi
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 431
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:56 pm
Location: Now in Buenos Aires Argentina

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Aoi » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:56 pm

If you think about it, they really have done it all. Even turning the good guys evil would be too reminiscent of the Bebi arc in GT. I think the only choice from the DB universe would be a fallen Kaioshin. I hope they do something more inspired this time around.

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Herms » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:17 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:The "Demon Plain" seems to be Dragon Ball's interpretation of what many real people believe Hell is. Hell in Dragon Ball is just the place bad souls go where they then wait to be cleansed and reincarnated.
DB Hell is based off Buddhist ideas about Hell, which is where the whole "cleansed and reincarnated" thing comes from. The anime even stuffs DB Hell with parody versions of the various standard features of Hell in Japanese folklore and art, like the lake of blood, mountain of needles, oni guards, etc.

The Makai/Demon World is a common trope in manga, anime, and video games. It more often than not has nothing to do with the dead, and is just a sort of alternate world where demons live. It was originally a Buddhist term referring to any area of temptation.
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15726
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:57 pm

I have a feeling that the villain is going to be a villain similar to the one from the 2008 Jump Special. A villain that is not very threatening since I remember hearing that this film is going to focus on both Goten & Trunks.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27

User avatar
Usingnero
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:11 am
Location: Claymont, Delaware
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Usingnero » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:27 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:I have a feeling that the villain is going to be a villain similar to the one from the 2008 Jump Special. A villain that is not very threatening since I remember hearing that this film is going to focus on both Goten & Trunks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no information regarding any form of plot (or general info, well, in general :lol: ) has been revealed so where exactly did you hear about this Goten/Trunks deal from?
Also, I would hate another Goten/Trunks story, they pulled it off well in the 2008 special (thankfully), but its just that, WE JUST HAD IT! More focus on the other characters would be nice.
I enjoy the Dragon Ball original AND Dub, even the VHS Fan-Sub's.
Supporter of fan made AF material, NOT a fanfiction reader.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Trunks: She's standing right over their...
Goku: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, BULMA'S YOUR MOTHER?!

User avatar
VegettoEX
Kanzenshuu Co-Owner & Administrator
Posts: 17809
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:10 pm
Location: New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:52 am

Goten and Trunks appearing in the early promotional artwork for the movie at all transformed itself via the Internet into "focusing on Goten and Trunks" instead of simply "takes place during the timeframe in which Goten and Trunks are characters".
:: [| Mike "VegettoEX" LaBrie |] ::
:: [| Kanzenshuu - Co-Founder/Administrator, Podcast Host, News Manager (note: our "job" titles are arbitrary and meaningless) |] ::
:: [| Website: January 1998 |] :: [| Podcast: November 2005 |] :: [| Fusion: April 2012 |] :: [| Wiki: April 2026 |] ::

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:28 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Dai Kaioshin was filler.
Nope. You might be thinking of Dai-Kaiou, although he was mentioned in the manga but never shown.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:48 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Dai Kaioshin was filler.
Nope. You might be thinking of Dai-Kaiou, although he was mentioned in the manga but never shown.
Darn it... I meant Dai Kaio, yes.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

Michsi
I Live Here
Posts: 4557
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:10 pm

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Michsi » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:03 am

Also, I would hate another Goten/Trunks story, they pulled it off well in the 2008 special (thankfully), but its just that, WE JUST HAD IT! More focus on the other characters would be nice.
This! The kids can be funny and all, but I feel that humour is pretty much their only strong point and even that become annoying at some point. I don't find them that intriguing as characters, as individuals and/or as a pair (not to mention that Goten's presence as a character tends to fade away when he is with Trunks) The old Buu Saga movies gave them plenty of screen time and they will most likely get some more in this movie as well. It's just don't want it to be their movie.

One thing that I would love to see in this movie would be some additional character insight. DB always tended to avoid delving to deep into a character's thoughts and feelings and as a result the characters appear to be pretty shallow. It's hard to say exactly what I mean by this, I don't want anything too fancy, just a little more creativity when it comes to handling the characters.
I can already see them checking the list of things this movie has to have : a Piccolo&Gohan friendship scene, a Goku&Vegeta rivalry/friendship scene, a Goten&Trunks being mischievous and causing trouble scene etc,etc, basically fan favorite character dynamic, but ones that we have seen about a million times before.

User avatar
Zephyr
I Live Here
Posts: 4420
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:20 pm

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Zephyr » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:35 am

shonenhikada wrote:Toriyama could finally reveal a One Above all equivalent who roams a higher plane that even the supreme kai, and others don't know about. He could create Lucifer, Michael, Raphael and Gabriel, who act as the more superior version to the supreme kais. The 4 angels can be introduced into a story arc, where they are aided by z-senshi to help stop lucifer from resetting all of fictions.
Eh, I'd be more partial to having 4 Dragons above the Kaioshin, maybe tie the Dragon Balls to them somehow. As for new villains that would actually be threatening, the only real way to not rip off GT that I can think of would be to finally introduce the Makaio/shin to the anime.

User avatar
soulnova
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1376
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:45 pm
Location: Mexico
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by soulnova » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:38 pm

Aoi wrote:If you think about it, they really have done it all. Even turning the good guys evil would be too reminiscent of the Bebi arc in GT. I think the only choice from the DB universe would be a fallen Kaioshin. I hope they do something more inspired this time around.

Isn't that a little like Toyble's series? Not saying I wouldn't like it, just pointing it out.


Michsi wrote: I can already see them checking the list of things this movie has to have : a Piccolo&Gohan friendship scene, a Goku&Vegeta rivalry/friendship scene, a Goten&Trunks being mischievous and causing trouble scene etc,etc, basically fan favorite character dynamic, but ones that we have seen about a million times before.
Roshi groping females. Eating scene.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"

User avatar
shonenhikada
Banned
Posts: 630
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:26 am

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by shonenhikada » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:13 pm

Well if ya'll don't like the idea of angels. What about devas which is the equivalent to angels in Buddhism.

Look them up Buddha is equivalent to michael, Mara is the equivalent of Lucifer, Ananda is the equivalent to Gabriel in Buddhism. In short angels are just placed under a different name in Buddhism and I don't see a problem in incorporating them into the series.

Look them up.
Last edited by shonenhikada on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:34 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
JeffJarrett
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 964
Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:09 pm

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by JeffJarrett » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:29 pm

I don't like the idea of angels. It reminds me of the Saint Seiya movie about Lucifer.

User avatar
Avenged
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1023
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:34 pm
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Avenged » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:31 pm

How about someone like Raditz returning from the dead? It'd be nice to have everyone fight an evil Saiyan again. Or how about Garlic Jr? Third times the charm! :lol:
Dragon Blog Z - A Dragon Ball Z Community

User avatar
samuraix123
I Live Here
Posts: 3815
Joined: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:22 pm
Location: Kentucky

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by samuraix123 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:50 pm

Avenged wrote:How about someone like Raditz returning from the dead? It'd be nice to have everyone fight an evil Saiyan again. Or how about Garlic Jr? Third times the charm! :lol:
How about another movie starring Broly! ROAR! MORE POWER! :lol:
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128
Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years!
#1 Paikuhan fan!

User avatar
Avenged
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1023
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:34 pm
Contact:

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Avenged » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:26 pm

samuraix123 wrote:
Avenged wrote:How about someone like Raditz returning from the dead? It'd be nice to have everyone fight an evil Saiyan again. Or how about Garlic Jr? Third times the charm! :lol:
How about another movie starring Broly! ROAR! MORE POWER! :lol:
Ghost Broly. :twisted:
Dragon Blog Z - A Dragon Ball Z Community

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18644
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:35 pm

I'll take Super Saiyan 3 Broli is his fights are key animated by Tanaka Hironori, Kameda Yoshimichi, and Kurita Shin'ichi. :P

Bringing Lucifer from the second Dragon Ball movie back would be cool, although with Nozawa dead they'd have to recast.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Chuquita
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 15280
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:16 am
Location: Somewhere

Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Chuquita » Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:55 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I'll take Super Saiyan 3 Broli is his fights are key animated by Tanaka Hironori, Kameda Yoshimichi, and Kurita Shin'ichi. :P

Bringing Lucifer from the second Dragon Ball movie back would be cool, although with Nozawa dead they'd have to recast.
I thought you meant Masako Nozawa, you scared me for a second. It took me a moment before I remembered the person who voiced him also had the last name of Nozawa.

I don't think I'd want Brolli back unless they gave him some actual dialogue ala Movie 8. Let him converse normally with the people he's fighting. I wouldn't want him just running around screaming "Kakarrotto!" all the time like he did in 10 and 11.
On hiatus.

Post Reply