Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by MewtwoZX » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:33 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Really? You're gonna toss a dismissive term like "fanboy" out there with regard to supposed console-company-favoritism, instead of actually addressing the concerns and legitimate justifications raised?

C'mon, bud. Let's not. Please remember where it is you are -- we expect more of everyone.
Yep, i do. Criticizing something from every aspect only due to not owning a Japanese 3DS and being able to afford the game is not on the place.

You know, why don't we all also hate on Zenkai Battle Royale, Bakuretsu W Impact, Dragon Battlers and Dragon Ball Heroes arcade machines too?

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:35 pm

Wait, over 200 characters? At least according to the DBWiki, the characters are less than 200 in the arcade, unless I counted wrong or the wiki is wrong, as usual.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:42 pm

Nintendo cares more about making their games fun than wasting time on making the game have pretty graphics. Oh yeah, Sony tried making PS Vita into a smartphone which is obviously a portable gaming console, if Sony had spent more time making games for the thing and less for the graphics and hardware maybe PSV would be doing better now.

3DS has a clamshell that protects the two screens and PS Vita has no protection (unless bought separately) for the screen, also 3DS automatically goes into stand-by when closed.

Gamers can't really count on Sony, they're sloppy, late and don't usually release useful features for their systems (see PS3/PSP). PSP's only an excellent portable gaming console thanks to the homebrew community for all the wonderful features and applications (waiting for PS3 to get completely hacked).

Note: I don't hate Sony, it's just their actions that screw up the experience of others who're going to be buying and using their products.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by DNA » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:52 pm

Why don't we let the console wars to some other place and actually focus on the game itself? I doesn't matter what Nintendo or Sony do, it matters what Bandai does. The console can be the top notch and the game developers might still develop a shitty game on it. Just look at, oh I don't know, Final Bout, like you pointed out MewtwoZX? It is a shitty game done on a console that could do more. Look at Attack of the Saiyans, sure it's a good game but the graphical input could have been better since the DS is capable of more.

3DS? Shit. Like Super Saiyan Prime said (debunking your retarded claims of fanboism), the 3DS is more powerful than a PSP, yet the game worse than the original Heroes, which looks like Budokai 3, a fucking PS2 game. The 3DS is more graphically powerful than that game looks so far.

Will it look better in the end? I doubt it honestly. The screens lack of resolution doesn't look to be a fault of the print but actually of the game itself, again, as Super Saiyan Prime pointed out. Actually, the graphical output might have been compressed so they can fit more useless shit in.

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:09 pm

MewtwoZX wrote:Yep, i do. Criticizing something from every aspect only due to not owning a Japanese 3DS and being able to afford the game is not on the place.

You know, why don't we all also hate on Zenkai Battle Royale, Bakuretsu W Impact, Dragon Battlers and Dragon Ball Heroes arcade machines too?
I don't know if there is a language barrier problem going on, but I don't even understand what you're getting at.

The complaint/observation about this 3DS version of Heroes is that, from what (little) has been shown already, the graphical presentation is not even up to snuff with its arcade counterpart, which itself is based on a PlayStation 2 style of presentation and original assets. That's got nothing to do with being anti-Nintendo, anti-Vita, pro-Heroes, anti-arcade, etc. It's just a simple observation. Why are you trying to create drama around something that isn't there to begin with?
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by Insertclevername » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:08 pm

Even though we probably have no chance in seeing this, Its still cool to see "Heroes" be successful enough to warrant a handheld game.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by JeffJarrett » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:At least according to the DBWiki, the characters are less than 200 in the arcade
There are no characters missing in the DBWiki list.

16 avatars + 97 characters from the manga/anime/movies = 113 playable characters without conting the transformations.
173 characters with the transformations.

27 new characters/transformations/avatars might be added in the Galaxy Missions that'll be released before the Spring 2013.

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:10 pm

In terms of character this game beats easily BT3 by the "OMG 160 CHARACTERS!!!111!!!" but to a serious question, 800 cards is all the game will have no there will be no DLC packs to download afterwards with new cards?

800 digital cards seem plenty for me.

Hopefully by 2013 the 3DS is hacked so the region-lock will no longer be an issue. =)
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:34 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:800 cards is all the game will have no there will be no DLC packs to download afterwards with new cards?
We have no idea. The system is capable of DLC, so we'd just have to wait and see.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:39 am

The thing is, I'm excited for this game, it's different from the usual crap that it's released (Raging Blast / Budokai Tenkaichi) and if DLCs are brought up, I think it shouldn't be a problem to use it on a hacked 3DS system.

Bummer, the YouTube "hardcore" DB fans are always asking (top comments) for BT3 the so-called "best DBZ game" by them or a new Raging Blast, *sigh* give that shit a break already. And then there are those who're questioning why they're producing a card game. -.-"
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:11 am

I only care about the story mode, so that we will find out what the fuck is going on there.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:25 pm

You may be disappointed. Though we don't have a lot of info right now, I doubt we'll get anything close to what has been implied by the commercials. From the little bit we've seen with the Goku vs. Vegeta screen, it seems to be a normal story mode without the involvement of the avatars. You'd think if they were going to be involved, they would have picked a shot that also included one of them for some hype.

If we're lucky, we might get some what-ifs that involve the avatars or the extra transformations. That would be cool to see them involved with a plot of some sort, as long as it isn't as much of a clusterfuck as Shin Budokai 2. =P
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:36 pm

Isn't it supposed to have a story mode? Not that I expect a good one, I just want to take a taste of what the hell is going on.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:14 pm

What did I say that implied to you that there wasn't a story mode? I just said it would probably be a normal one, the same thing we've played over and over again, not something new with the Avatars time traveling or anything, like the commercials have occasionally implied.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:59 pm

Well, I thought by saying "You may be disappointed" you meant that we may not see a story mode... :roll: Stupid me.
BTW, it just came to my mind... Maybe we will finally get the chance to see the full versions of the missing opening animations!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by Super Sayian Prime » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:21 pm

MewtwoZX wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't think they look that bad. If we get bigger scans then maybe they will look better in HQ.
Ignore him, he's a Vita fanboy. But sadly he can't reply anything against it's poor sales and how Vita is badly handled by Sony right now.

These are just screenshots, the game is obviously still in production and a lot can change until release. Did you perhaps saw Final Bout's first scans, Super Saiyan Prime? The finished product didn't looked at all like the first screenshots.

And afterall, this is the best Dragon Ball game that we know is in production, because the other two are just poor attempts at "improving" UT and Budokai 1/2 respectively.

Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission is something new for these who never played the arcade machines, like me.
MewtwoZX wrote:Yep, i do. Criticizing something from every aspect only due to not owning a Japanese 3DS and being able to afford the game is not on the place.

You know, why don't we all also hate on Zenkai Battle Royale, Bakuretsu W Impact, Dragon Battlers and Dragon Ball Heroes arcade machines too?
What sparked this response? My criticism of this game had nothing to do with my interest or disinterest in other platforms, region-locking woes, or financial means. In fact, I never even shared my opinion of the 3DS's region locking. I simply told people there was no option to play this game unless you own a Japanese 3DS. But since you're so concerned, I'll air my opinion:

In 2012, region-locking a handheld is unacceptable. We live in a world where many games are not released worldwide. The only reason to region-lock a platform is to protect local markets and distributors so they can squash importation. It's disheartening that after 20 years of making region-free handhelds Nintendo started region-locking them starting with the DSi in 2009, and continuing onwards with the 3DS. You know why? I already own a 3DS, and have games not released in my region:

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I shouldn't have to own a separate 3DS for games released in North America, Europe, and Japan. Especially when their previous handhelds and their nearest competition's never required that. The decision to region-lock a handheld even goes against the genetic makeup of a handheld, since the earliest were designed so that people could play games on a holiday and not fear that the game they're about to buy won't work on their hardware.

As for my criticism of this game. I think it's completely justified. It really does not look good. The three screenshots I posted are not from any scans, but rather are direct feed (meaning directly from the devkit) at the 3DS's native resolution of 400 x 240. Yes, the images are JPGs so there's a bit of compression going on, but no JPG compression is going to undo the complete lack of any anti-aliasing, and poor texture work. That is how the game looks. There is no room for argument there. This is a considerably worse representation of Dragon Ball Heroes than what is displayed in the arcade version, which is amazing because Dragon Ball Heroes is built upon PS2 games - things that are nearing 10 years old. 3DS is more capable than a PS2. This game has no excuse for looking this bad other than Namco Bandai being cheap.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:23 am

Regarding 3DS not yet hacked, this may look doubtful but it's a start: http://kotaku.com/5845746/heres-the-3ds ... a-3ds-game

Sony said PS3 was unhackable and for a while that stayed true, but once Sony started messing up with the system the hackers commenced to hack the console, right now PS3's hackable but still not for all FWs. Nintendo on the other hand seems to have said the truth.

I don't see Namco Bandai releasing this in Europe so I'll have to patiently wait and see if 3DS gets hacked.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:41 am

The video you posted is almost a year old. The PS3 remained unhacked for longer than the 3DS has been released.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:12 am

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:The video you posted is almost a year old. The PS3 remained unhacked for longer than the 3DS has been released.
PS3 was probably unhacked for a while because they had OtherOS to use on the system but once Sony fucked that up they decided to work on hacking the crap out of it. Sony can only blame themselves.
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Re: Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission for 3DS

Post by Taku128 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:58 pm

Yeah, nobody cared about hacking the PS3 because you could already do tons of stuff with it by installing Linux. Once Sony announced they were removing the ability to install a different operating system the PS3 was hacked in a matter of months.
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