They just pushed him. They couldn't even make him bleed.Saiga wrote:Broli got beaten by a pair (or trio) of Super Saiyans, I think it's a stretch to say he's up there with Goku and Vegeta just because he could beat up a rusty Gohan.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
I think he's on par with Super Perfect Cell.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
...except for when they completely destroyed him.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They just pushed him. They couldn't even make him bleed.Saiga wrote:Broli got beaten by a pair (or trio) of Super Saiyans, I think it's a stretch to say he's up there with Goku and Vegeta just because he could beat up a rusty Gohan.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
The sun destroyed him, not their Kamehameha.Saiga wrote:...except for when they completely destroyed him.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
Except there weren't any FP SSJs, or MSSJs, or whatever term you want to use. It's clear in the movie that Goku is stronger than Gohan and that Goku isn't yet expecting anything major impressive from Gohan. Beyond this, it's stated that Gohan is stronger in movie 10 than he was in movie 8, when we know he lost power between Cell and Buu. Therefore, Movie 8 occurs in some alternate universe where, more than likely, Vegeta killed Semi-Perfect Cell and Goku and Gohan were fetched out of the RoSaT before they'd gone very far into their training. It's unlikely that Goku was all that much stronger than Vegeta or Trunks, and Piccolo likely didn't take a RoSaT trip yet, so he's still around 17's level.Haji wrote:Yes Thank You. Most people don't see it but it is there. In movie 8 Broli was able to easily able to fight two FP SSJ, two grade 2 SSJ and a Super Namekian.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Personally, I have Movie 8 LSS Broli a little above Cell arc SS2 Gohan, and Movie 10 LSS Broli between Boo arc SS2 & SS3 Goku.
Which means that if Broly in movie 8 was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan no one would have survived a punch from him and even the Toei punch would have failed to kill him. At best, Movie 8 Brolly is equal in power to Perfect Cell's non-buffed up maximum.
As for movie 10 Broly, I'd peg him somewhere just above SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
He is stronger because he didn't have SS2 back then...Xyex wrote:it's stated that Gohan is stronger in movie 10 than he was in movie 8
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
Vegeta & Trunks were Super Saiyan Grade 2, so for Goku to be stronger than them, he has to be Super Saiyan Full Power, so Gohan should be one too.Xyex wrote:Except there weren't any FP SSJs, or MSSJs, or whatever term you want to use.
It's not that clear, since everyone were getting their asses kicked. Gohan was one of the first ones, and everyone was panicked, which could be why Goku wanted Gohan to run away instead of getting angry (or, out-of-universe, Toei had no idea). Also, during the battle, they were trying to beat him with teamwork, rather than one-on-one. Goku was the only one that was strong and could stand on his feet, so he was the only one that could save the day with everyone's power on his fist.Xyex wrote:It's clear in the movie that Goku is stronger than Gohan and that Goku isn't yet expecting anything major impressive from Gohan.
BTW, sorry if anyone felt offended, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
I think Broly in M10 is above the SSJ2's minus fusions, but would get stomped by any SSJ3 tier.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
I've seen a few Broli fanboys use this scene to back up Broli's strength. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc5vVAUcaR4 Their logic is "it destroyed half of Cell's body yet it did nothing to Broli". Though I go with the theory that Cell taking that much damage was a result of him holding back his ki.
Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
"Cell was fighting at Goku's level while Broly wasn't" is certainly the easiest explanation as well. But the idea that Broly's fighting a weaker Goku also helps fill in that blank quite nicely.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
But in the movies, the sun wasn't enough to destroy Cooler, who should be way weaker than Broli. The combined Kamehameha should have done more than just push him to wipe him out.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The sun destroyed him, not their Kamehameha.Saiga wrote:...except for when they completely destroyed him.
Plus it overpowered his own attack, which wouldn't have happened if it was weaker.
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Re: Overestimation of Broly's power ?
I never did get why Broli did not move out of the way. But like what I always say about Broli, the movie had to end sometime.
But yeah I have guessed Broli is above SSJ2 but would get beat by SSJ3.
But yeah I have guessed Broli is above SSJ2 but would get beat by SSJ3.
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But it was really the sun, somehow. You expect consistency from Toei?Saiga wrote:But in the movies, the sun wasn't enough to destroy Cooler, who should be way weaker than Broli. The combined Kamehameha should have done more than just push him to wipe him out.
Besides, maybe it's not up to someone's power. so that he can survive the heat of the sun. And also, at the state Coola survive, no Saiyan would survive. So, maybe the sun open holes and weakened Broli's body, and the Kamehameha destroyed him. But that would be with the help of the sun, so it wouldn't count as proof for Broli being weaker.
Didn't Trunks do some weird explosions with his ki blast?Saiga wrote:Plus it overpowered his own attack, which wouldn't have happened if it was weaker.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The Kamehameha prevented Broli from bringing up a shield and without that he can't survive in space.