The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

The Room of Spirit and Time is a special case; it's a desperate measure for desperate times, and it has limited usage. That's why Goku wasn't in a rush to have the kids use it for Majin Boo later, or why he didn't use it in the prior three years of training either. But then and there, with the Androids and Cell running amok, it was the best and most worthwhile option for the Saiyans to get much stronger much more quickly.

Even if Goku would still want to keep training, there's no need to use the RoSaT for it now that Cell's dead, and Goku knows better than to waste that usage anyway just because it's there. Plus, Chi-Chi probably wouldn't let him keep Gohan in there instead of ass-deep in books now that the threat's passed!

[mysticboy]

Perhaps Mr. Popo would pop in and tell them that Vegeta and/or Trunks killed Cell.

But why would he do this?

...To tell them they can stop torturing their bodies, maybe?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Perhaps Mr. Popo would pop in and tell them that Vegeta and/or Trunks killed Cell.

But why would he do this?

...To tell them they can stop torturing their bodies, maybe?

Yeah, this whole "we torture our bodies, lol!" was brought up by Goku after he got out. Besides, Goku said that because at that point, he & Gohan had reached their limits, so they wouldn't get any stronger and just torture their bodies for no reason.

[mysticboy]

Yeah, this whole "we torture our bodies, lol!" was brought up by Goku after he got out.

That means his body was really going through hell. Also, read Kaboom's post.
With Vegeta and/or Trunks killing Cell, what reason does Goku have to stay in there especially if he was putting himself and his son through all types of hell? I mean, Cell and the androids were the reason Goku even suggested using the RoSaT.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I didn't noticed Kaboom's post before. Makes some sense, I guess. Either way, I place the movies in a separate world from the anime, so it's not a what if in my canon.

[Saiga]

I didn't think Movie 10 Broli was any stronger than Movie 8. Didn't Gohan only say that Broli was just as much a monster as before? That doesn't suggest to me that Broli powered up at all. Even if movie 8 Broli was weaker, he'd still crush Piccolo. I don't see him being any higher than 50% SS Goku.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Yeah, Gohan says that. He also says Broly will (not exact words) find out he's "powered-up considerably" since last time. So Gohan's way stronger than their last encounter according to himself, still gets owned without much effort--and then you have the Broly sketch where it says he's stronger than before. So...um, Broly appears to be stronger than he was before.

[Saiga]

Yeah, Gohan says that. He also says Broly will (not exact words) find out he's "powered-up considerably" since last time. So Gohan's way stronger than their last encounter according to himself, still gets owned without much effort--and then you have the Broly sketch where it says he's stronger than before. So...um, Broly appears to be stronger than he was before.

I didn't know about the sketch saying he got stronger. In that case, Goten and Trunks have an even easier time against Broli but he's still beyond the likes of Piccolo.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan Goten (GT) & Super Saiyan Trunks (GT) vs Majin Boo (Pure)

If they can't beat Boo, add Super Saiyan Gohan (GT) on their side as well.

Note: When Goku noted that Rild's power was greater than Majin Boo's, Trunks said he was fired up, instead of being terrified. Also, base Goku > SS Gohan & SS Goten, with Trunks is at about the same level as Goten, possibly. Make your own conclusions.

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't know, GT's logic is quite fucked up. I don't know how it'd turn out.

[Saiga]

Super Saiyan Goten (GT) & Super Saiyan Trunks (GT) vs Majin Boo (Pure)

If they can't beat Boo, add Super Saiyan Gohan (GT) on their side as well.

Note: When Goku noted that Rild's power was greater than Majin Boo's, Trunks said he was fired up, instead of being terrified. Also, base Goku > SS Gohan & SS Goten, with Trunks is at about the same level as Goten, possibly. Make your own conclusions.

Boo gets one shotted by either of them.

[dbzfan7]

Super Saiyan Goten (GT) & Super Saiyan Trunks (GT) vs Majin Boo (Pure)

If they can't beat Boo, add Super Saiyan Gohan (GT) on their side as well.

Note: When Goku noted that Rild's power was greater than Majin Boo's, Trunks said he was fired up, instead of being terrified. Also, base Goku > SS Gohan & SS Goten, with Trunks is at about the same level as Goten, possibly. Make your own conclusions.

I still say Boo destroys them. The Boo Goku referenced could be any of them and even if it was Pure Boo, nothing changes. Nothing says that the boys got stronger in any way I can think of. In Z Goten was fearful of fighting Boo in the tournament. I doubt in GT things have changed 5 years later. Trunks is around the same level so he would also get wrecked. SSJ Gohan would stand no chance unless he had access to his full potential, then he solos a victory. If SSJ Gohan is anywhere near his Full Potential in GT then the team wins. But considering it's just SSJ's and no Gotenks, then Pure Boo kills all of them.

GT Logic: Pure Boo beats all of them because Goku is the only one who can actually do anything.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Perhaps Mr. Popo would pop in and tell them that Vegeta and/or Trunks killed Cell.

But why would he do this?

Worried for their safety, if they spent too much unnecessary time torturing themselves and wasting their "RoSaT lifetime usage" in the RoSaT?

As for why Gokuu would stop training because of that...maybe he was just more laidback this time and understood that there was no need to continue torturing both himself and Gohan in the RoSaT when Cell was already dead.

Come on now, we all know Goku. If he knows he can get stronger, he won't let the chance go.

Alternate universe Gokuu? Slightly different for plot device purposes? Chi-Chi ordered them to get out now that Cell was dead?

I dunno, you got me there. But my explanation's as good as any.

[dbzfan7]

Perhaps Mr. Popo would pop in and tell them that Vegeta and/or Trunks killed Cell.

But why would he do this?

Worried for their safety, if they spent too much unnecessary time torturing themselves and wasting their "RoSaT lifetime usage" in the RoSaT?

As for why Gokuu would stop training because of that...maybe he was just more laidback this time and understood that there was no need to continue torturing both himself and Gohan in the RoSaT when Cell was already dead.

Come on now, we all know Goku. If he knows he can get stronger, he won't let the chance go.

Alternate universe Gokuu? Slightly different for plot device purposes? Chi-Chi ordered them to get out now that Cell was dead?

I dunno, you got me there. But my explanation's as good as any.

Personally for the 10 day timeline placement I could say toei screwed up. It really works both ways.

[Fox666]

As for why Gokuu would stop training because of that...maybe he was just more laidback this time and understood that there was no need to continue torturing both himself and Gohan in the RoSaT when Cell was already dead.

Come on now, we all know Goku. If he knows he can get stronger, he won't let the chance go.

If Cell was dead, there wouldn't be a reason to use the RoSaT. He can train for 1 year in 1 day from an outsider perspective, but for him it's still 1 year.

[Insertclevername]

They view the ROSAT as a last resort type method for strength. In other words, only use it when you're desperate. It would suck if a new threat came and all the warriors couldn't use the ROSAT because they used their time up for no reason.

[mysticboy]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan & SSJ2 Future Trunks (both trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku (both in the Buu Saga)

[Saiga]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan & SSJ2 Future Trunks (both trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku (both in the Buu Saga)

Gohan soloes.

[LiamKav]

They view the ROSAT as a last resort type method for strength. In other words, only use it when you're desperate. It would suck if a new threat came and all the warriors couldn't use the ROSAT because they used their time up for no reason.

But if they had used it already, they would already be strong enough. If Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Yamcha has gone in before the Saiyans had turned up, then they would (at least) have ripped throught the Saibaimen no problem, and would probably have had a chance at Nappa if they had all teamed up.

(Of course, this ties into the fact that the characters must always be not-quite-strong-enough for the latest villian, so if they had trained then Nappa and Vegeta would have been proportionally stronger anyway.)

[Ketchup_Revenge]

If Tenshinhan, Kuririn and Yamcha has gone in before the Saiyans had turned up, then they would (at least) have ripped throught the Saibaimen no problem, and would probably have had a chance at Nappa if they had all teamed up.

There's no indication that they could've been able to handle the intensity of the ROSAT at that time, and at their low levels. Trunks admitted that he had trouble and he was way stronger than any of them, even to the point that he seemed apprehensive about going in a second time.