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The Makaios & Makaioshins should be weaker than Dabra, since they were said to be weaker than Kaioshin, from what I remember.Insertclevername wrote:I just assumed Dabra was just a really strong guy and he happened to be king in the Demon realm, possibly by heritage. He could be the Freeza of that universe, with the Makaios and Makaioshins looming over him in strength.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Really? I didn't know that....I guess my opinion is pretty wrong now...lol.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The Makaios & Makaioshins should be weaker than Dabra, since they were said to be weaker than Kaioshin, from what I remember.Insertclevername wrote:I just assumed Dabra was just a really strong guy and he happened to be king in the Demon realm, possibly by heritage. He could be the Freeza of that universe, with the Makaios and Makaioshins looming over him in strength.
Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
I'm not forgetting, but Gohan developed much faster in the RoSaT than Goku and the Boo Arc showed that he still has plenty of dormant power left, so I think he'd develop much faster than Goku's Otherworld training would take him and end up strong enough to take on all three of the other SS2s.mysticboy wrote:Don't forget, 7 years of training in the Otherworld > 7 years of training on Earth. Of course that doesn't mean SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan (in this match at least).
So I figured that Gohan is slightly above Goku (the gap between them being far smaller than in the Cell Games) while Vegeta would be slightly above Trunks. I thought the teams would be more or less even having an epic fight that could go either way (plus this makes for a great What-if
Buu being a magical being aside, he was sealed for the past several million years.hleV wrote:Freeza was the strongest being in the universe.
Cell was an android who was designed specifically to be that strong.
Boo was a magical being.
There's also Dabra but he's a Makaioshin.
This all works pretty well.
Now GT threw in some aliens who are randomly stronger than at least one of the main villains of the original. Okay, you can justify Baby to an extent... as he wasn't physically too strong, and relied on possessing others.
Bojack wasn't anywhere near as strong as Ledgic still, and at least he had a backstory of having to be sealed away by the Kaioshin. Even still, I hate how Bojack is a random alien with incredible power and doesn't even look that unique, but he has more of a backstory than Ledgic who is 10000x stronger than him for sure.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I have to say that's lamest explanation. No one complained about Bojack, yet you guys complained about Ledgic.
Honestly, you really expect no one in the entrie galaxy to be equal on the Saiyans' strength, do you? It really isn't random if you think about it...
He wasn't just SSj tier, he was way above even SS3 (from Z). I find that ridiculous given the only reason the characters we know are that strong is because they were forced to overcome crazy obstacles like fighting the strongest alien in the universe and an ancient evil that not even the gods of the universe could stop. For someone to waltz along with that same power and just be like "lol I'm a bodyguard" is retarded.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Maybe, maybe not. You just decided to contradict it. Why Ledgic was there and how he was as strong as SSJ Goku were open to interpretation. Maybe he was born with natural high battle power and trained for many years. Maybe he was born some time after Freeza was defeated. Or maybe Ledgic didn't care about Freeza and didn't think it's worth his time.Saiga wrote:You're missing the point. Freeza was known as the strongest being in the universe at the time. For their to be other aliens farting around being waaaay stronger contradicts that.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:And where does Freeza come from? His power was a SSJ-tier. Maybe powerful aliens never came across Freeza? Maybe that's why we never saw any strong alien beside Freeza?
To say Ledgic was a random alien is just silly. He was hired as a bodyguard. It just happened to have Goku and pals landed on the planet he was on. He, like Goku, seems to love fight strong opponent. Maybe that's why he was so strong?
I've said it repeatedly, the galaxy is a huge place with thousands of races all over it. Some are strong, some are not. Some are smart, some are stupid. Some are giants, some are tiny. Some are mutants, some are normal. Some are violent, some are peaceful. Anything can happen. You just imagine.
Actually, he and his gang had to be sealed away by the Kaiou, which doesn't quite make him a "random alien". The Kaiou never had to step in with Freeza, did they?Nex Carnifex wrote:Bojack wasn't anywhere near as strong as Ledgic still, and at least he had a backstory of having to be sealed away by the Kaioshin. Even still, I hate how Bojack is a random alien with incredible power and doesn't even look that unique, but he has more of a backstory than Ledgic who is 10000x stronger than him for sure.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I have to say that's lamest explanation. No one complained about Bojack, yet you guys complained about Ledgic.
Honestly, you really expect no one in the entrie galaxy to be equal on the Saiyans' strength, do you? It really isn't random if you think about it...
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Yeah, I was going to add that, but then I forgot. I mean, from the story's perspective, despite being the King of the Demon Realm, his role was still just Bobbodi's henchmen before the main villain turned up and killed him.dbgtFO wrote:Dabra wasn't just a henchman, he was the ruler of the Demon Realm.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Super Uub has the upper hand but since this is GT (Goku Time), the fight would not have a conclusion because only Goku is allowed to kick ass in GT.In Brightest Day wrote:Super Uub vs. Son Gohan.
This is of course GT Gohan. Was there anything we can take from GT that suggested either were stronger than the other?
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Yes, no matter how strong you are there will be someone stronger. But when your as strong as Goku and them and have the power to obliterate stars and ravage galaxies, then it should be considered a big deal when you find that person who is stronger than you. So when a random alien shows up that is stronger than Freeza I require an explanation above "its cause I trained a lot". But stronger than Majin Buu!? Majin Buu was already 100000s of times more powerful than Freeza, but it made sense because of how they built him into the story. But you can't just randomly introduce aliens stronger than that without providing a GOOD explanation, especially if they are designed as goofy as Ledgic was. Goku and them didn't reach their power by training in their down time, they've had help from gods, supernatural forces, hax transformations, and being forced to overcome impossible opponents that had detailed, substantial explanations for why they were stronger than the previous big deal. Legic is a fucking horrible insult to storytelling in Shonen comics, I know that's hard but somehow they pulled it off, its almost as if they completely abandoned the concept of maintaining a sensible continuity with their powers from Z.Piccolo Daimao wrote:Actually, he and his gang had to be sealed away by the Kaiou, which doesn't quite make him a "random alien". The Kaiou never had to step in with Freeza, did they?Nex Carnifex wrote:Bojack wasn't anywhere near as strong as Ledgic still, and at least he had a backstory of having to be sealed away by the Kaioshin. Even still, I hate how Bojack is a random alien with incredible power and doesn't even look that unique, but he has more of a backstory than Ledgic who is 10000x stronger than him for sure.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I have to say that's lamest explanation. No one complained about Bojack, yet you guys complained about Ledgic.
Honestly, you really expect no one in the entrie galaxy to be equal on the Saiyans' strength, do you? It really isn't random if you think about it...
But I don't have a problem with Ledgic. Granted, I haven't actually watched GT in full, but from what I've heard, his strength doesn't sound too farfetched within the logical realms of the Dragon Ball universe. He fits the trend of the "no matter how strong you think you are, there's always a greater warrior out there in the universe" mantra of the series that both Kame-sennin and Mr. Popo taught Gokuu, Kuririn and co.
Heck, Piccolo Daimaou was originally just "a demon" with no explanation for that status, and was only later explained to be the purged evil half of a god who also didn't have a proper backstory until later, where the most we got was "a prodigy of the Dragon Clan who escaped Namek's cataclysm". And in the Boo arc, Dabra was "just a henchman" who was killed off by Boo pretty early on, and mostly served to show just how rusty Gohan had become after 7 years of slacking in his training regime. Yet, according to Gokuu, Dabra was about as strong as the last main villain, Cell.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
Cell swats Kaioshin away like the useless insect he is.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Kaioshin Vs Cell (Goku battle)
Kaioshin didn't want to take any chances with Super Saiyan Goku's blast, but I'm not sure how he compares to Super Saiyan Goku during the Cell Games, and we know Cell was stronger than him. Does he have a chance against Cell with his many abilities? Or is the difference too significant for Kaioshin to overcome?
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
