I think he gets his ass kicked, I have him somewhere between half and full power Goku.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Kaioshin Vs Cell (Goku battle)
Kaioshin didn't want to take any chances with Super Saiyan Goku's blast, but I'm not sure how he compares to Super Saiyan Goku during the Cell Games, and we know Cell was stronger than him. Does he have a chance against Cell with his many abilities? Or is the difference too significant for Kaioshin to overcome?
The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Kaioshin always struck me as a divinely powerful person but a princely, leisurely incompetent fighter. Due to his godhood, he has extremely powerful natural strength and abilities, but virtually no combat or even basic fighting knowledge. I say this because he takes quite the onslaught from Fat Boo; several blows, his own psychic abilities reflected back at him, and even more blows, and he still has the power to blow-up a blast that vanquished a full-power Super Sayajin Gohan. Also, he can completely subdue and immobilize Super Sayajin 2 Gohan momentarily. His combat skills and fighting prowess, however, is low, possibly the lowest in the series. This would explain why he has a guardian weaker than himself, because the guardian's fighting prowess is superior to his. So, ultimately, I think he has the fighting power to match Cell, but Cell's combat prowess dwarfs his. Cell's mind and psyche is constituted by the minds of some of the greatest tactical thinkers in the series, and even with his banal "Perfect form" nonsense, it is still reflected by some of his behaviors and strategies against Goku and Gohan. Also, Cell has some really good abilities against the Kaioshin, particularly regeneration, which I don't really know how he's going to circumvent, he doesn't really seem to have any good blast moves that would be good for obliteration. Ultimately, Cell trounces Kaioshin due to his superior combat prowess and better array of abilities than can be used offensively.
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SS Gohan was literally nothing against base Goku, while Oob (before merging with Boo) was equal with base Goku, and Merged Oob should be way stronger than SS3 Goku, since he could fight against Super Baby 2, and SS3 Goku couldn't do a thing on Vegeta-Baby, not to mention Super Baby 2.In Brightest Day wrote:Super Uub vs. Son Gohan.
This is of course GT Gohan. Was there anything we can take from GT that suggested either were stronger than the other?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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If it's Baby Arc, Oob wins. Super 17 Arc, Gohan wins.In Brightest Day wrote:Super Uub vs. Son Gohan.
This is of course GT Gohan. Was there anything we can take from GT that suggested either were stronger than the other?
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What makes you think that? They were both equally pathetic against Super #17, so much that you couldn't tell who was weaker than who.Saiga wrote:Super 17 Arc, Gohan wins.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I can't even remember what it was now but back when I watched through GT after the Baby Arc Oob seemed weaker than the Saiyans.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What makes you think that? They were both equally pathetic against Super #17, so much that you couldn't tell who was weaker than who.Saiga wrote:Super 17 Arc, Gohan wins.
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Nah, we only saw that Merged Oob was way stronger than base Gohan, since Oob annihilated Rild with one ki blast, while Gohan was having trouble. Everything after this was both getting their asses kicked by the way stronger than them Super #17 & (Super) Yi Xing Long.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Turles, Nail, Vegeta, and Piccolo vs. Jeice, Burter, Recoome, and Ginyu
Conditions:
-Ginyu can't use Body Change
-Everyone at equal power levels
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Conditions:
-Ginyu can't use Body Change
-Everyone at equal power levels
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Specify which version of Vegeta, and Piccolo.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Namek Saga.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Specify which version of Vegeta, and Piccolo.
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Ginyu Sentai wins.mysticboy wrote:Namek Saga.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Specify which version of Vegeta, and Piccolo.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Tokusentai, not Sentai.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Ginyu Sentai wins.mysticboy wrote:Namek Saga.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Specify which version of Vegeta, and Piccolo.
As for the equal battle powers, everyone are equals, or just the Ginyu Tokusentai between themselves?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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At equal battle powers Vegeta would get enough time to create a fake moon.
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Everyone.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:As for the equal battle powers, everyone are equals, or just the Ginyu Tokusentai between themselves?
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The Ginyu Force takes it through far superior team work. The opposing team not only aren't going to work together well, but will likely be at each others throats the whole time. If they were working together well, I'd say they might be able to take it. I'd probably still err towards the Ginyu crew, though.
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He most likely won't do that because Tullece might end up accidently looking at it. Then you'd have two big, slow apes on a team. One of which will be irrational and possibly destroy everything. Not to mention the fact that almost everyone in this fight knows the oozaru's weakness.Fox666 wrote:At equal battle powers Vegeta would get enough time to create a fake moon.
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Oozaru are slow only in DBZ: Sparking! METEOR/Budokai Tenkaichi 3. Everywhere else, they are faster than their human forms.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Vegeta (EOZ)vs Mr. Boo
Mr.Boo is weaker then Fat Boo since he split his power with Grey Boo. I don't think Mr.Boo has the full power he used to have (unless I'm forgetting something), so would Vegeta stand a chance now?
Mr.Boo is weaker then Fat Boo since he split his power with Grey Boo. I don't think Mr.Boo has the full power he used to have (unless I'm forgetting something), so would Vegeta stand a chance now?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Vegeta would wreck him as a SSJ2. Though I believe he has SSJ3 at the time.