How strong is Mr Buu?

[TobyS]

Where does Mr Buu rate compared to everyone else at the 'everyone celebrating on the lookout' era.

He has very few feats. IMO he put up a better fight against kid buu than vegeta did but it does seem, and I think maybe Son comments on the fact that, Kid Buu is basically trolling Mr in their fight.

Plus it could be his regen that makes him do better then he should.

Where do you think he rates?

SS2 Vegeta?
Base Gotenks?
Piccolo?

I'm curious speculate away.

[Edward Newgate]

I've had always considered Gotenks to be Goten + Trunks (in the sense of Goten's PL + Trunks's PL), and since I'm considering them to be weaker than Freeza at their base, then so it Gotenks.

Wasn't it said that the Gray Buu took most of the power of Majin Buu? Then Mr. Buu would've less than half of it. Can't we put it in numbers? Majin Buu was roughly equal with SSJ3 Goku, who claimed that he could've defeated him had he gone full power. So lets assume they're both at roughly 12 billion, right? SSJ2 Goku is 3x weaker than his SSJ3 self. So that puts SSJ2 Goku's PL at 4 billion against Mr. Buu's less than 6 billion, depends on just how much power went to Gray Buu when they split.

Or am I wrong in doing this?

[TobyS]

I've had always considered Gotenks to be Goten + Trunks (in the sense of Goten's PL + Trunks's PL), and since I'm considering them to be weaker than Freeza at their base, then so it Gotenks.

Wasn't it said that the Gray Buu took most of the power of Majin Buu? Then Mr. Buu would've less than half of it. Can't we put it in numbers? Majin Buu was roughly equal with SSJ3 Goku, who claimed that he could've defeated him had he gone full power. So lets assume they're both at roughly 12 billion, right? SSJ2 Goku is 3x weaker than his SSJ3 self. So that puts SSJ2 Goku's PL at 4 billion against Mr. Buu's less than 6 billion, depends on just how much power went to Gray Buu when they split.

Or am I wrong in doing this?

Well IMO mere addition is no way near enough for fusion to make the boys relavant to super saiyan 3 goku/any buu.

Freeza is totally nothing by this point. Kaioshin could oneshot him are you really saying Kaioshin > Base gotenks?

I can buy the boys being weaker than freeza in base, but that's why fusion has to be way more then addition, some form of multiplication to make them relevant.

However I totally agree with you about "we don't know what % of the strength Mr got when he split from Evil.

We know Buu is generally more evil than good. So it follows he got less than half.

He probably got more than 10% though or Grey Buu woulda speed-blitzed him even harder than he did in the manga.

But those are just my assumptions.

He really doesn't get many feats it's hard to tell.

[Saiga]

Since Boo seems to power up every time he gets angry, I'm not sure how strong he was before he split into two. The lowest I'd put him is around SS2 Goku/Vegeta or SS1 Gotenks, though.

[hleV]

I think Mr. Boo is around SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta or a tad weaker, but more capable due to his regeneration and other magical abilities.

[Kaboom]

I'm of the same general opinion. Mister Boo is now around the level of SSj2 Goku and Vegeta, perhaps even a bit weaker. But his regeneration was what let him last against Pure Boo's sadistic torture for so much longer than Vegeta.

[Edward Newgate]

I've had always considered Gotenks to be Goten + Trunks (in the sense of Goten's PL + Trunks's PL), and since I'm considering them to be weaker than Freeza at their base, then so it Gotenks.

Wasn't it said that the Gray Buu took most of the power of Majin Buu? Then Mr. Buu would've less than half of it. Can't we put it in numbers? Majin Buu was roughly equal with SSJ3 Goku, who claimed that he could've defeated him had he gone full power. So lets assume they're both at roughly 12 billion, right? SSJ2 Goku is 3x weaker than his SSJ3 self. So that puts SSJ2 Goku's PL at 4 billion against Mr. Buu's less than 6 billion, depends on just how much power went to Gray Buu when they split.

Or am I wrong in doing this?

Well IMO mere addition is no way near enough for fusion to make the boys relavant to super saiyan 3 goku/any buu.

Freeza is totally nothing by this point. Kaioshin could oneshot him are you really saying Kaioshin > Base gotenks?

I can buy the boys being weaker than freeza in base, but that's why fusion has to be way more then addition, some form of multiplication to make them relevant.

However I totally agree with you about "we don't know what % of the strength Mr got when he split from Evil.

We know Buu is generally more evil than good. So it follows he got less than half.

He probably got more than 10% though or Grey Buu woulda speed-blitzed him even harder than he did in the manga.

But those are just my assumptions.

He really doesn't get many feats it's hard to tell.

But base Gotenks was nothing special, so yeah, sure. After their training in the hyperbolic chamber, they should be strong enough while individually (still weaker than Goku and co.) but as Gotenks above base Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. So with SSJ3, he would be stronger than Goku Kaioushin should be able to defeat all Saiyans in their base.

I think of the fusion dance as addition, and the Potara earrings as addition AND multiplication by 2x (and Goku x Vegeta making it the most powerful fusions since they're multiplied by each other).

Freeza is nothing compared to the SSJ and Piccolo, not the Saiyans in base.

[Hellspawn28]

I think he is around SSj2 Buu Saga Goku level like others said already. I think he is strong enough to take out SPC with some minor effort.

[Mystic Gohan]

No feats. All we know is that he lasted longer against a toying Buu when he had regen.

[Hellspawn28]

To be fair that a lot of DB characters don't have many feats of their own which is why that we have to power scale them.

[hleV]

I've had always considered Gotenks to be Goten + Trunks (in the sense of Goten's PL + Trunks's PL)

The way Goku describes and talks about Fusion implies otherwise.

[Hitiro]

Am I the only one who felt that Majin Vegeta could have put up a much better fight had he not been taken off-guard by Majin Buu's explosion and then subsequently his technique that trapped Vegeta? I would think Mr. Buu would rate close to SSJ2 Vegeta.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Am I the only one who felt that Majin Vegeta could have put up a much better fight had he not been taken off-guard by Majin Buu's explosion and then subsequently his technique that trapped Vegeta?

Nah, I think Boo was just toying with Vegeta. He regenerated easily from all of Vegeta's attacks, without appearing to lose any strength. Both Vegeta and Kaioushin seemed to know that Vegeta would die in this battle (especially with Vegeta's famous line of saying that he was going to take Bobbodi and Boo to Hell along with him) anyway.

[Sanity's_Theif]

Am I the only one who felt that Majin Vegeta could have put up a much better fight had he not been taken off-guard by Majin Buu's explosion and then subsequently his technique that trapped Vegeta? I would think Mr. Buu would rate close to SSJ2 Vegeta.

I believe this too, Majin Buu's regeneration is too good of an ability though.

I think Mr. Buu is below SSJ2 Vegeta/Goku and the only reason he could keep up with Kid Buu at all was regeneration which threw Kid Buu off for an instant because, well, he's fighting another Buu, something he's never done before lol couldn't have expected instant regeneration, even then Kid Buu massacred Mr Buu just by toying with him.

[Fox666]

I think those who say he is around and weaker than a Super Saiyan 2 level are going by his power being split with Pure Evil Boo. But I don't think that necessarily the sum of their powers equal that of the Innocent Boo, since it certainly isn't true for Evil Boo.

So, ignoring the "math" behind that, I think that he was significantly stronger than Vegeta.

[Sanity's_Theif]

I think those who say he is around and weaker than a Super Saiyan 2 level are going by his power being split with Pure Evil Boo. But I don't think that necessarily the sum of their powers equal that of the Innocent Boo, since it certainly isn't true for Evil Boo.

So, ignoring the "math" behind that, I think that he was significantly stronger than Vegeta.

They said their powers were split and evil buu got the larger portion, I can't fathom any other understanding of that statement other than say buu was 10 when together, and when they split, the evil was like 7 and mr buu was 3, I don't think it could make sense any other way

[Fox666]

But the problem is that when they split and fused again, Boo was much stronger than before. So I don't think the splitting would use normal math either.

And I am not really sure if the fat Majin Boo that they removed from inside Evil Boo is equal to the one that was absorbed.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I am not really sure if the fat Majin Boo that they removed from inside Evil Boo is equal to the one that was absorbed.

Me too. There was a Kaioshin power inside Pure Evil Boo, something that got lost after Good Boo's removal.

[Bussani]

Either that or the Kaioshin power was always inside Mr. Buu, and Skinny Buu just had it because there was a Kami/Piccolo sort of link between the two of them. But I guess the point is that we don't know for sure how it all works.

They said their powers were split and evil buu got the larger portion, I can't fathom any other understanding of that statement other than say buu was 10 when together, and when they split, the evil was like 7 and mr buu was 3, I don't think it could make sense any other way

Well, look at Kami and Piccolo as an example: was their power split from a ten to two fives, or a seven and a three? The Namekian Elder seemed to think that Kami would have been a match for even the strongest Saiyan if he hadn't split into two, and when they finally do re-merge, the result is far more than just Piccolo with Kami's power added on top.

We have little to go on, and to be honest, the idea of his power being separated into a seven and a three is good enough for me; but if we look at how often these things aren't simple addition or division, then I can certainly see how another point of view could be true instead.

[Fox666]

Either that or the Kaioshin power was always inside Mr. Buu, and Skinny Buu just had it because there was a Kami/Piccolo sort of link between the two of them. But I guess the point is that we don't know for sure how it all works.

That could be true. Evil Boo still tought of himself as the same as before. He mentioned he fought Gotenks before, and later said that if they removed the fat Majin Boo he would no longer be himself.

Well, look at Kami and Piccolo as an example: was their power split from a ten to two fives, or a seven and a three? The Namekian Elder seemed to think that Kami would have been a match for even the strongest Saiyan if he hadn't split into two, and when they finally do re-merge, the result is far more than just Piccolo with Kami's power added on top.

We have little to go on, and to be honest, the idea of his power being separated into a seven and a three is good enough for me; but if we look at how often these things aren't simple addition or division, then I can certainly see how another point of view could be true instead.

I am only saying that "math" is not enough to conclude the fat Majin Boo was weaker than Vegeta.