The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

I consider Evil Boo and "Super" Janemba to be movie-series counterparts to each other, with nearly identical power. So if Gohan can kick Boo's ass so easily, he could do the same to Janemba. SSj3 Gotenks' chances are a toss-up.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Like Kaboom, I see Super Janemba and Super Boo as equals, so the battles would play out similar to the canon battles with Super Boo. The only difference I see is Gotenks not getting any last minute domination on Janemba like he did with Super Boo.

[Insertclevername]

Gohan would dominate Janemba. However Gotenks, while equal in power, would have trouble with Janemba's riffing through dimensions. Not to mention, Janemba has a sword, so I don't think Gotenks would win, if anything though, a tough battle.

[mysticboy]

Future Piccolo (assumed he kept his body and trained in OtherWorld and didn't fuse with Kami) vs Cell Games Piccolo

Future Piccolo didn't prepare for the Androids (basically at his Namek saga pl), no RoSaT, and didn't fuse with Kami. Do you think 13 years of training in the OtherWorld is enough to close the gap between the two? Or do you think the original timeline's Piccolo wins?

[Fox666]

No, and he would never get close to it.

In Dragon Ball, characters increase their strength when they have the urge to. Piccolo strength didn't change much during the 4 years after the 23rd Budokai, the 2 years before Freeza returned, or during the 7 years after the Cell Games. But it skyrocketed in the 1 before the arrival of Vegeta and Nappa, or the few days he trained with Kaio, before the Androids appeared, and before the Cell Games.

Basically, the Piccolo in the afterlife would increase his strength like the first examples, so at most he would be able to keep up with Goku or Vegeta in the Freeza saga as long they don't transform in Super Saiyan.

[Pantalones]

Without fusing with Kami... he'd probably at least get to the level he was when he fought Dr. Gero. I mean, it only took him three years in "serious training mode" with Goku as a sparring partner to get that far... but even without the serious motivation to train or the super-strong sparring partner, he should be able to get at least that far given more than four times as long to do it, and considering that he'd be training in the afterlife (which seems to be one of those things that accelerates training, probably due to not exhausting your ki so much if at all--same reason Goku can use SSj3 effectively while dead--so you can keep it up longer.)

He might be able to get as far as his initial power after fusing with Kami (when he evenly fought #17), or at least somewhat close, but he'd probably need a strong training partner to pull that much of a boost off (maybe if he tracked down Dead Goku or something?)

I can't see him ever catching up to his Cell Games self (when he's closer to SSj Vegeta/Trunks, and thus much stronger than any of the non-Perfect Cell forms were), though. Without fusing with Kami, and without having a serious motivation to train, even 13 years wouldn't be nearly enough to get that far.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Future Piccolo (assumed he kept his body and trained in OtherWorld and didn't fuse with Kami) vs Cell Games Piccolo

Future Piccolo didn't prepare for the Androids (basically at his Namek saga pl), no RoSaT, and didn't fuse with Kami. Do you think 13 years of training in the OtherWorld is enough to close the gap between the two? Or do you think the original timeline's Piccolo wins?

Future Piccolo might come close to reaching his present counterpart's level when he first fought #17, but without the benefits of merging with Kami, training in the RoSaT (remember, not only does it have x10 the gravity of Earth, but varying extreme temperatures and thinning air - we haven't seen nor know of any planets in the afterlife with those conditions), the Gekiretsu Koudan (the blast he used on first-form Cell), or anything to work towards in particular, I don't think he has a shot at winning.

The only basis for comparison we have is how future Gohan ranks next to Cell Games Gohan, and as we know, the former was much weaker, even weaker than Trunks, his student, was when he fought Freeza, and even he was weaker than Gokuu on his return to Earth. But since Gohan didn't have any sparring partners for many years until taking on a half-Saiyan student - and Gohan never had that much teaching experience himself - we can only guess at how much more Piccolo would've improved in those 13 years, in the afterlife.

So basically, I agree with Pantalones.

[dbzfan7]

Super Hatchiyack vs Super Perfect Cell (Perfect Cell if SPC has too big an advantage)

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think this would be a stomp in Super Perfect Cell's favor.

I think he'd have a nice fight with Perfect Cell at full-power, but even still, I don't think Hatchiyack has enough to beat him.

[mysticboy]

To be fair, Piccolo can always just spar with himself (muti-form) if he couldn't a strong enough training partner.

[SSJ3_Gogeta]

Future Piccolo (assumed he kept his body and trained in OtherWorld and didn't fuse with Kami) vs Cell Games Piccolo
Cell Games Piccolo wins.

Super Hatchiyack vs Super Perfect Cell (Perfect Cell if SPC has too big an advantage)
Super Hatchiyack would lose to SPC but beat Perfect Cell.

Tiencha (Saiyan Saga, Fusion Dance) vs. Freeza Arc characters: How far does Tiencha get?

[Rocketman]

The absolute best case would be a perfect AxB fusion like Vegetto, putting Tiencha at 2.7 million - easily beating 3rd form Freeza, a tough fight vs Vegeta that Tiencha would win unless he timed out, a tough fight vs base Goku that Tiencha would lose, and easily losing to 4th form Freeza's first showing.

But, since they wouldn't even get that if they used the Potara...maybe 1st form Freeza's level?

[Strife1]

Tiencha (Saiyan Saga, Fusion Dance) vs. Freeza Arc characters

He'd get through everyone until Third form freeza, who would win during a close fight.

[Saiga]

Tiencha (Saiyan Saga, Fusion Dance) vs. Freeza Arc characters: How far does Tiencha get?

Beats the basic Namekian warriors, but loses to Cui horribly.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

That's Oob is from the beginning of GT. Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan?

[Saiga]

Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

That's Oob is from the beginning of GT. Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan?

He sparred mostly evenly with Goku, so I would say that he'd easily defeat Gohan.

[DBZAOTA482]

Oob vs Ultimate Gohan

That's Oob is from the beginning of GT. Is Oob strong enough to beat Gohan?

Oob would have the upper hand but the fight would be interrupted because according to GT Logic, only Goku is allowed to kick ass.

[Fox666]

So it is basically useless vs useless. I guess both lose.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He sparred mostly evenly with Goku, so I would say that he'd easily defeat Gohan.

Aren't you putting base Goku too high? Unless if you believe that Gohan was an "Ultimate Super Saiyan" in GT.

[Saiga]

He sparred mostly evenly with Goku, so I would say that he'd easily defeat Gohan.

Aren't you putting base Goku too high? Unless if you believe that Gohan was an "Ultimate Super Saiyan" in GT.

Yeah, I do think he was.