DBZ artists/animators differences

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:47 pm

Bejiita wrote:Domon, I myself call him Toriyama wannabe, the nickname 'no shading' isn't what I call him, it's what people here call him, there was a topic a while back and it was what he was labelled as.

The comment I made was not aimed at a specific person(you), but rather torwards the many using that nickname. And yes, I've read that topic when it first came out.

I can answer also, he does of course do shading but can you see the difference, there are 3 shades of colour on the better animators. Most animators do third degree shading, whereas no shading just does standard. And he is quite sloppy in many episodes.

I won't contest the points being made here. All I ask is that people refrain from using an absolutism. "Toriyama wannabe" or something else would be just fine.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:57 pm

It's not all about the shading, even if they shaded the crap out of it, its still a horrible drawing.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:37 am

Domon wrote:
Bejiita wrote:Domon, I myself call him Toriyama wannabe, the nickname 'no shading' isn't what I call him, it's what people here call him, there was a topic a while back and it was what he was labelled as.
The comment I made was not aimed at a specific person(you), but rather torwards the many using that nickname. And yes, I've read that topic when it first came out.

I can answer also, he does of course do shading but can you see the difference, there are 3 shades of colour on the better animators. Most animators do third degree shading, whereas no shading just does standard. And he is quite sloppy in many episodes.
I won't contest the points being made here. All I ask is that people refrain from using an absolutism. "Toriyama wannabe" or something else would be just fine.

Yea well like I said that's what I call him, no shading is what everyone else knows him as.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:47 pm

I wish I had a scanner so I could show what the various Animators are supposed to be emulating.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:00 pm

Who are they trying to emulate?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:12 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:Who are they trying to emulate?

Akira Toriyama, lol. I have all but 2 Volumes of the Manga. I was saying I wish I had the ability to scan in various Manga images as to compare to the Anime images, to show who's doing what they should be, doing crappy, and (as that one nickname implies) doing better (lol @ that).

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:19 pm

Oh right! I kinda compare the pictures from the manga to whats happening on screen so I can see what you mean now lol. I have most of the manga would you like me to scan any pics?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:32 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:Oh right! I kinda compare the pictures from the manga to whats happening on screen so I can see what you mean now lol. I have most of the manga would you like me to scan any pics?

Holy crap yes!

Just scan and crop out the equivelants to some of the already posted stuff, that was what I would hope to do. Many thanks!

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:57 pm

Okay, just give me a while to scan the images in

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:18 pm

Here you go, sorry about the poor croping but I did it in a hurry.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:44 pm

You cans see Toriyama Trunks is way better, and Cell too, and MAjin Vegeta, all of them are better than the anime.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:18 am

DBZ Man you are my fricken hero.

I have little else to add, since the images speak for themselves.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:45 am

lol, Thanks, well any other time you want me to add images, no problem.

I like Toriyama’s images as well; you can see that the Trunks one were copied from that moment. so all the animators use the manga for close reference, naturally.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:09 pm

I acutally like the anime-Vegeta better here. I think the manga ones eyebrows look a bit heavy...

It amazes me that the Trunks picture sucks so much ass... especially when that particular image was avalable in color.

Also, did they use both of those Buu pictures for the anime or just one? I'm a little confused on how there is two pictures of the same scene.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:30 pm

What I don't get is why people beat down on the one group responsible for the Cell and Trunks above pictured. Plainly, their animation style is quite jumpy (lazy inbetweeners?) and the artist often appears to get lazy and over simplify. However, the examples pulled are probably some of the worst you can find and this group is actually capable of doing some really quality work that is very true to Mr. Toriyama's style.
In fact, watching the original Dragonball, I found them to be one of the most competent groups and just seemed slightly more stylistic, which was still preferable to the crap drawings that two groups (or maybe one with two slots in the rotation?) produced with horrible proportions and likeness, and another group that animated well but used a style not very much like Toriyama's. As these groups developed, most improved or were dropped, but the group in question remained fairly consistent in quality and fell a little short when the style became far more technical.
Like, just now, I was watching an episode that particular group produced for the Freeza saga and I was very impressed at how similar to Toriyama's style some of the expressions and positions were without being directly based on manga panels (since the majority was filler). I'll see if I can find a better example but anyway, the episode I'm refering to is the one where Kuririn distracts Freeza while Dende heals Gohan and Piccolo arrives. I just don't feel they deserve to be put at the bottom of the list.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:28 pm

Well, I can think of much worse exaples then the Cell and Trunks one. Overall the animation is cheaper, which leads to the characters to express less emotion and take away detail.

Take this for example

to this

Immediatley we can see a difference between the 'two' animator's work.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:56 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:Well, I can think of much worse exaples then the Cell and Trunks one. Overall the animation is cheaper, which leads to the characters to express less emotion and take away detail.

Take this for example.

Immediately we can see a difference between the 'two' animator's work.

Good lord... Trunks' neck is eating his face...

But wow, everyone's right. There are huge differences between the different animators.
Fortunately, in a lot of cases, the (really) good animators got to do some of the more imporant moments (i.e. Goku vs Kid Buu, one of my favorite fights)

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:12 am

Yeah the Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Kid Buu fight is amazing! So much cheography in it. Usually it's 2 different cells cut and pasted together to make it look like their moving really fast

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gotenx · Post by **gotenx** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:58 pm

The worst animator ever has arrived. Take a look at THESE:

That just HAST to be the WORST animation EVER!!!

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:23 pm

Hey gotenx, could you sort out those first few pics with the media player in the background? They do look bad, the artist clearly cannot draw Freeza. But looking at that Gohan I'm thinking it's the 'better than Toriyama' artist...even though he isn't really better than Toriyama.

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