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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Herms » Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:11 pm

Avenged wrote:Can we get a translation from that scan that was provided?
It's just the full page featuring the Nozawa comment that was posted a while back. Besides her comment, it's pretty much just instructions for submitting a postcard to attend Jump Festa. There's nothing about the new movie.
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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Avenged » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:41 pm

Herms wrote:
Avenged wrote:Can we get a translation from that scan that was provided?
It's just the full page featuring the Nozawa comment that was posted a while back. Besides her comment, it's pretty much just instructions for submitting a postcard to attend Jump Festa. There's nothing about the new movie.
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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Chuquita » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:53 pm

I thought DB was going to be Toei's March animated movie in lieu of their usual Precure March movie; looks like (according to Crunchyroll )they're doing both franchises. (With the latter due in theaters March 16th). Hoping that animators aren't being stretched thin or hoping that Toei's big enough to handle working on two for the same month. It's either gotta be different groups of animators, or one of the two must be mostly finished animation-wise by now.

I just don't want Toei to overwork their animators and have that affect the quality of the animation for DB13.
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Post by AgitoZ » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 am

Chuquita wrote:Hoping that animators aren't being stretched thin or hoping that Toei's big enough to handle working on two for the same month. It's either gotta be different groups of animators, or one of the two must be mostly finished animation-wise by now.

I just don't want Toei to overwork their animators and have that affect the quality of the animation for DB13.
You do realize how long Toei has been in the game, right?

If anything's going to affect the quality, besides creative reasons, it's going to be the budget. And so far it seems that won't be a problem.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 am

If there's a shortage of hands Toei would likely just bring in freelancers or sub-contract to other studios. My main concern is more so with the big 'sakuga' animators being busy working on other titles, though. If a PreCure film is slated for the same month then that might rule out Tanaka Hironori. :(
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Post by Chuquita » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:17 am

Does anyone know how big of a budget DB13 has? I know they received that donation/grant from the Japanese government a while back.

Also, anyone know what the budget for either Strong World or One Piece Z is? I'm curious about how it compares to DB13's, but I'm not deep enough into OP's fandom to know stuff like that.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:52 am

We don't know the budgets. The average TV episode is $100,000-300,000 for twenty minutes. We'll be lucky to get $300-500,000 for every twenty minutes for this film. I'd say, for a ninety minute movie, we could look at $1,350,000-2,250,000...maybe more.
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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:42 pm

JulieYBM wrote:We don't know the budgets. The average TV episode is $100,000-300,000 for twenty minutes. We'll be lucky to get $300-500,000 for every twenty minutes for this film. I'd say, for a ninety minute movie, we could look at $1,350,000-2,250,000...maybe more.
The average cost of a 90 minute anime film is usually $500k and other things. To get this answer:
David Haden wrote:So you're talking about 2D animation, cheap TV or YouTube Web-series quality. On current trends you might be able to hire the cheapest Chinese backstreet studio for $500 per finished minute of animation (this figure is given in the report linked below). The product you'd get certainly wouldn't compare to the anime from Japan, though. So perhaps $50k, and then double that for all the other aspects of the movie - such as a full-cast audio performance and detailed storyboard for the animators to work to. So... maybe $100k would the lowest starting point, if you were Kickstarting it and managing it yourself.

But I'm sure that one day we're going to see some talented person making a polished hit 90 minute 2D Web series using pocket-money software such as Anime Studio, Toon Boom, CrazyTalk Animator etc - perhaps just outsourcing all or some of the creation of the content assets: backdrops, rigged 2D characters, voice talent, and using royalty-free music scoring software, etc.
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Post by soulnova » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:00 pm

SilverPlaqueVII wrote: The average cost of a 90 minute anime film is usually $500k and other things. To get this answer:
They were granted around $600,000 dollars, weren't they? Without counting the initial money on their project... I guess this bodes well.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:12 pm

A ninety minute film is not going to cost only half a million dollars, not when your average twenty minute episode costs $100,000-300,0000.
That said, a single anime episode costs about US$100,000-300,000 per episode, according to various producers we've talked to. That might seem like a lot, but in reality it's pretty cheap, about on par with an American deep-cable TV show. (An American prime-time TV show can cost well into the millions.) But multiplied across 13 episodes, that nonetheless turns into a total budget of US$2-4 million.
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Post by Michsi » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:03 am

If a PreCure film is slated for the same month then that might rule out Tanaka Hironori.
And here I was keeping my fingers crossed that he will be part of the staff :( . I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to animators and the animation process, but even I have heard of this name and I enjoyed watching video's on youtube with complilations of his animated scenes from various anime he worked on. Granted, there are other good animators ou there too that I would love to see working on this, like Hiroyuki Yamashita. (Edit: though he seems to do mostly just Naruto....)

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:40 am

Michsi wrote:
If a PreCure film is slated for the same month then that might rule out Tanaka Hironori.
And here I was keeping my fingers crossed that he will be part of the staff :( . I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to animators and the animation process, but even I have heard of this name and I enjoyed watching video's on youtube with complilations of his animated scenes from various anime he worked on. Granted, there are other good animators ou there too that I would love to see working on this, like Hiroyuki Yamashita. (Edit: though he seems to do mostly just Naruto....)
Yeah, I think Yamashita is a Pierrot employee, so unless Toei shipped a cut out to them specifically I wouldn't count on it.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:41 pm

I just want a good run time for once. I remember the DBZ movies where not even a full hour long expect for Movie 8.
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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:43 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:I just want a good run time for once. I remember the DBZ movies where not even a full hour long expect for Movie 8.
Movie 8 was the second, the 10th anniversary movie lasted nearly an hour as the only Dragon Ball film to have the longest movie as opposed to 50 minutes in other movies. :idea: 8)
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Post by soulnova » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:22 pm

I would love them forever is they manage to do a 80~90 minute movie.
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Post by songohan619 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:03 pm

SilverPlaqueVII wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I just want a good run time for once. I remember the DBZ movies where not even a full hour long expect for Movie 8.
Movie 8 was the second, the 10th anniversary movie lasted nearly an hour as the only Dragon Ball film to have the longest movie as opposed to 50 minutes in other movies. :idea: 8)
The eigth movie came out before the 10th anniversary movie.
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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:31 pm

SilverPlaqueVII wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I just want a good run time for once. I remember the DBZ movies where not even a full hour long expect for Movie 8.
Movie 8 was the second, the 10th anniversary movie lasted nearly an hour as the only Dragon Ball film to have the longest movie as opposed to 50 minutes in other movies. :idea: 8)
Pretty sure Movie 17 ran for around 80 minutes, while DBZ Movie 8 (Movie 11) ran for 70. To add to that, DBZ Movies 2 and 3 (5 and 6) also ran for 60 minutes each.

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Post by Insertclevername » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:45 pm

Depends on the plot of the film. I don't really have a problem with the "below an hour" films as they don't really need anymore time to tell and show the story at hand. With movies like 13, they benefit from the extra time as they used it for the Tapion/Trunks bonding scenes. So, the new film should only be longer has to be, not just for the sake of run time.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:03 pm

One Piece has another Saturday night TV special coming December 15 at 9PM, the same timeslot that aired Episode of Nami back in August. That'll probably do a number on production of this film if Tate and Shida are busy working on it. Luckily neither worked on the August special, but it will still mean as least two or three good animators from Toei's usual pool will be busy.
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:18 pm

I wish I knew how far in advance the movie itself was completed prior to the initial announcement (or if it even was completed prior to that) ; that would help flesh out the odds as to who was able to work on it.

I thought the super-long wait had dampened my excitement, but now that we're in November, and I have a definite week of sorts for when updates will supposedly occur, I'm getting all anxious again. *_*

Also, I'm thankful that V Jump happened to have possibly-Toyble's manga in it because that gives me better reference dates than V Jump's website as to when to expect the news. V Jump's site lists the release date as the 21st, but the news (at least on these forums) broke for chapters 1 and 2 on the 24th of their respective months. Though, plot news is pretty big news, so I guess it could conceivably be earlier than that. How badly I want to find out what it's about! It's like a puzzle where all they give you are the pieces for the borders and you're left with a frame and no actual picture to speak of. Or if someone cut the crusts off a sandwich and gave you the crusts first then tells you "You can have the meats and cheeses four months from now."

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Even though it's possible I may be disappointed, having the actual knowledge of what the story line is would be a relief.
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