Big Green name changes

chaosakita · Post by **chaosakita** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:24 am

I've been watching clips of the Big Green/AB Groupe dub on youtube, and I've noticed all the name changes:

Piccolo = Big Green (where the dub gets its name from)
Kami = Old Green
Kuririn = Clearin
Trunks = Trunk
Saiyan = Space Warriors
Super Saiyan = Super Space Warrior

And Vegeta's name is pronounced differently too. I think it sounds really jarring, but it fits better with the vegetable pun rather than being accurate to the Japanese pronunciation.

Obviously, it's better to have no name changes at all, but what do you think about them? Surprisingly enough, while I find the dub absolutely hilarious, it isn't cringe-worthy at all. Maybe I'm just getting more tolerant of dubs these days.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:56 am

"Clearin" might be based on a romanization error. It's possible that the translators saw "Kuririn," and thought, "Oh, that's probably just 'Clearin' as pronounced with a Japanese accent."

On the other hand, that's probably not the case. The Big Green dub seems to be based on the French dub, or at least heavily influenced by it. I say this because...

1. The AB Groupe, who produced the French dub, also produced the Big Green dub.
2. The term "Space Warriors," and "Super Space Warriors" are among the more infamous examples of the French dub's script changes.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:01 am

Well, "Clearin" is probably written more like "Kliryn" or "Klirrin" or however.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:41 am

"Clear" in Japanese is クリア/kuria. "Kuririn" lacks that 'a' sound, so it's really not all that close in terms of Japanese pronunciation. But of course this is obviously not the world's most competent localization staff. "Clearin" is certainly a lot closer than "Big Green".

Didn't the French dub call Saiyans "Space Warriors" too (the French equivalent, that is)?

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:54 am

Herms wrote:Didn't the French dub call Saiyans "Space Warriors" too (the French equivalent, that is)?

Yeah, they did--"Super Guerrier." That's why I suspect that the Big Green dub's script was actually an English adaptation of a French script. So, to people who are familiar with both the French dub of the movies and the Big Green dub of the movies...besides the "Super Warrior" bit, do you notice any other script similarities?

dbboxkaifan · Post by **dbboxkaifan** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:35 am

They were on the right track to how they pronounced Vegeta's name, on the FUNimation dub it's spelt Vegeta but said as Ve-ji-ta.

The 'e' in Vegeta should be the same as in Correct.

Two ways of pronouncing the letter E: e and i. Mostly all of the time the 'e' is i in the English language.

Same case as people claiming that the narrator in Dragon Ball Z For Kinect pronounced Saiyan incorrectly. No.. They're just too accustomed to the FUNimation way.

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:06 am

TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Herms wrote:Didn't the French dub call Saiyans "Space Warriors" too (the French equivalent, that is)?
Yeah, they did--"Super Guerrier." That's why I suspect that the Big Green dub's script was actually an English adaptation of a French script. So, to people who are familiar with both the French dub of the movies and the Big Green dub of the movies...besides the "Super Warrior" bit, do you notice any other script similarities?

The script is very obviously directly translated from French. It's completely blatant to anyone familiar with the French script or any other adaptation based on it.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:27 am

Puto wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:
Herms wrote:Didn't the French dub call Saiyans "Space Warriors" too (the French equivalent, that is)?
Yeah, they did--"Super Guerrier." That's why I suspect that the Big Green dub's script was actually an English adaptation of a French script. So, to people who are familiar with both the French dub of the movies and the Big Green dub of the movies...besides the "Super Warrior" bit, do you notice any other script similarities?
The script is very obviously directly translated from French. It's completely blatant to anyone familiar with the French script or any other adaptation based on it.

Interesting...so the Big Green dub is, in fact, an indirect way for English-speaking people to experience the French dub.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:12 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Well, "Clearin" is probably written more like "Kliryn" or "Klirrin" or however.

It's "Clirin". These things do have captions.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:14 pm

Okay. So I was right about it not being Clearin. Not that they couldn't've written it that that.

dbboxkaifan wrote:They were on the right track to how they pronounced Vegeta's name, on the FUNimation dub it's spelt Vegeta but said as Ve-ji-ta.

The 'e' in Vegeta should be the same as in Correct.

Two ways of pronouncing the letter E: e and i. Mostly all of the time the 'e' is i in the English language.

Same case as people claiming that the narrator in Dragon Ball Z For Kinect pronounced Saiyan incorrectly. No.. They're just too accustomed to the FUNimation way.

I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. When what makes a vowel short or long in English is dependent on how close the next vowel is. So Vegeta should technically be VEE-JEE-TA and Vegita should be VEE-JAHY-TA. However, names don't follow the rules (actually, the language doesn't follow the rules), so Vegeta is slurred a bit into VEH-JEE-TUH or VUH-JEE-TUH.

dbboxkaifan · Post by **dbboxkaifan** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:39 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. When what makes a vowel short or long in English is dependent on how close the next vowel is. So Vegeta should technically be VEE-JEE-TA and Vegita should be VEE-JAHY-TA. However, names don't follow the rules (actually, the language doesn't follow the rules), so Vegeta is slurred a bit into VEH-JEE-TUH or VUH-JEE-TUH.

The double E's in your comment are actually e's or i's?

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:21 pm

They're...like "Wee! English is fun!". I'm guessing English isn't your first language. Since I don't know what language you know, I'll just say that a long E is pronounced like IE in German, or I in Spanish. A short E is like E in German or Spanish.

Blacknite08 · Post by **Blacknite08** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:56 pm

Kami isn't called Old Green in the Big Green dub. He's called God.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:00 pm

Blacknite08 wrote:Kami isn't called Old Green in the Big Green dub. He's called God.

Another way it's closer to the French then (and most other translations of the series).

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:11 pm

French dub doesn't really call him God though, they fudge it a bit by calling him the Almighty.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:48 pm

Puto wrote:French dub doesn't really call him God though, they fudge it a bit by calling him the Almighty.

Ah, interesting. Is it different in the French manga? Maybe that's what I was thinking of, unless I'm just nuts.

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:20 am

Probably, yeah.

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