Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Saiga]

And that means absolutely nothing. The production staff is going to do whatever the heck they feel like doing.

So? It doesn't change the fact that Pilaf shouldn't have been brought back to life unless he was a good person.

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And that means absolutely nothing. The production staff is going to do whatever the heck they feel like doing.

So? It doesn't change the fact that Pilaf shouldn't have been brought back to life unless he was a good person.

What does it matter if Pilaf was brought back to life from being a "good guy" or not? It's Toriyama remember. Given he's directly involved with the project, I'm sure the inclusion of Pilaf and company is only meant for the sheer purpose of giving us a few laughs (and maybe some poop on a stick :p)

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Just because the colors are off on Pilaf's(?) figure doesn't mean it's not him, DB's proven to have no 100% color scheme.

The anime is a lot more consistent than Toriyama ever is. Pilaf has always been blue there, so no real reason to be green now unless they plan on having him Hulk-out.

[Makaioshin]

Pilaf is a gag villain and couldn't be destroyed by the mere likes of Majin Boo. But yeah I guess Polunga didn't think he was that bad. He is just a silly human with silly ambitions.

And GT is canon contrary to fan guess

The scriptwriter said something about GT not being part of the original work. Maybe he just wanted to use Pilaf like GT and Online did.

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Pilaf has always been blue there, so no real reason to be green now unless they plan on having him Hulk-out.

...i'd pay money to see that.

Edit: Oh wait! That was Dragonball Z movie 1. Never mind.

[Saiga]

What does it matter if Pilaf was brought back to life from being a "good guy" or not? It's Toriyama remember. Given he's directly involved with the project, I'm sure the inclusion of Pilaf and company is only meant for the sheer purpose of giving us a few laughs (and maybe some poop on a stick :p)

I like consistency. Unless he's a good guy, it'd cause a plot hole with the wish in the Boo arc. And I don't see any reason to believe he's a good person when there's more evidence to the contrary.

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What does it matter if Pilaf was brought back to life from being a "good guy" or not? It's Toriyama remember. Given he's directly involved with the project, I'm sure the inclusion of Pilaf and company is only meant for the sheer purpose of giving us a few laughs (and maybe some poop on a stick :p)

I like consistency. Unless he's a good guy, it'd cause a plot hole with the wish in the Boo arc. And I don't see any reason to believe he's a good person when there's more evidence to the contrary.

As stated before, if 17 has been revived along with everyone else, I don't see any real problem believing that Pilaf would be too. Besides, I don't think the subject of "what the requirements to be considered a good guy by Shenlong" are ever made clear in the first place.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If Vegeta can be considered a good guy after all his years of mass murder, I think Pilaf can be considered...eh, not evil, when he's failed at pretty much everything diabolical he's ever tried to do.

[Saiga]

As stated before, if 17 has been revived along with everyone else, I don't see any real problem believing that Pilaf would be too

And I've already said it's different with 17 who actually seems to be a good person.

@TheDevilsCorpse

Even if he didn't succeed, the intent was still there. A person who tries to commit evil and fails isn't a good person.

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And I've already said it's different with 17 who actually seems to be a good person.

While as "noble" as 17 is, I don't think making a game of hunting down someone with the intent of killing them is considered good either..

[Saiga]

While as "noble" as 17 is, I don't think making a game of hunting down someone with the intent of killing them is considered good either..

It wasn't, but he reformed and lived peacefully.

Pilaf could have done the same, but I don't see them putting a reformed Pilaf into the movie. If he was going to appear it seems more likely that he'd be up to his old antics.

[Toadster]

Don't forget that the movies take place in separate dimensions... It's possible that the wish for "only good people" wasn't made or something. Or maybe Pilaf became a good guy for a while.

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Whatever the case may be, Pilaf seems to be having a cameo role regardless so I think it's best to accept that fact. Besides, more Toriyama humor equals a win in my book.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Even if he didn't succeed, the intent was still there. A person who tries to commit evil and fails isn't a good person.

In the context of the series, who cares about intent? As I said, Vegeta was a mass murdered for years, and yet he can still be considered good. Shenlong (or Porunga) isn't a human and doesn't have to judge us according to our perceptions of good and evil. What has the imp actually done to slide his karma meter to the dark-side? In all of Pilaf's attempts to take over the world, he's never succeeded, never killed anyone, etc. The worst we've really seen him do is steal (which I'd bet a good portion of the revived humans have done at some point too) and release Daimao, which we know for certain that he definitely regretted. If Vegeta's dark past can be erased, Pilaf's shouldn't even be in question.

Don't forget that the movies take place in separate dimensions... It's possible that the wish for "only good people" wasn't made or something. Or maybe Pilaf became a good guy for a while.

Not this one apparently, it's intended to be canon: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/09/26/to ... l-z-movie/

[Saiga]

Whatever the case may be, Pilaf seems to be having a cameo role regardless so I think it's best to accept that fact. Besides, more Toriyama humor equals a win in my book.

That doesn't mean I have to like it.

@TheDevilsCorpse

Like I said, he could have reformed. But I think it's more likely that he wouldn't have if he's going to appear in the movie.

[Hellspawn28]

And GT is canon contrary to fan guess

Yet Dragon Ball has no official one and the writers already said that they don't view GT as the original story. GT is just as apart of the original story as the AVP movies are to the Alien films .

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Like I said, he could have reformed. But I think it's more likely that he wouldn't have if he's going to appear in the movie.

He didn't reform. Toriyama said that he was going to attempt to take over the world again, but the events with Cell and Buu got in the way of his plans. He doesn't really have to reform to be revived by the wish anyway, because as I've said, he never really did anything that bad; Goku's done more bad things in the name of good than Pilaf has while actually trying to be bad.

[Saiga]

Like I said, he could have reformed. But I think it's more likely that he wouldn't have if he's going to appear in the movie.

He didn't reform. Toriyama said that he was going to attempt to take over the world again, but the events with Cell and Buu got in the way of his plans. He doesn't really have to reform to be revived by the wish anyway, because as I've said, he never really did anything that bad; Goku's done more bad things in the name of good than Pilaf has while actually trying to be bad.

He would need to reform to be a good person.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He would need to reform to be a good person.

The wish was to revive everyone but the bad people. Regardless of the intent behind his actions, he's never really done anything bad. If anything, he's more of a neutral character, which would be included in the wish.

[Herms]

Shouldn't Pilaf be dead? Unless you think he's a good person...

The wish was to bring back everyone except the "extremely evil" people. So Pilaf could have still made the cut despite being evil, so long as Shenlong didn't consider him extremely evil.