Kid Buu

[TheMightyOzaru]

Other then my previous post, in the Daizenshuu 7, Dai Kaioshin is the only one mentioned weakening Kid Boo while South Kaioshin wasn't mentioned weakening him.

The quote says absorption when mentioned by Kibitoshin, which can mean 1 or 2, but as stated in the Daiz, only Dai Kaioshin weakened him.

Also when has growing muscles ever made you weaker in DBZ. It's practically a fact that every time your muscles grow, your strength increases.

Referring to one of my last points, Goku always believed he could beat Kid Boo without fusion, he never believed he could beat Super Boo without fusion. If Kid Boo was stronger, why would Goku want to fight someone stronger then Super Boo alone after he said fusion was the only way to beat Super Boo. Logically fighting someone stronger then Super Boo would be pointless when fusion was already needed to beat Super Boo.

You view this incorrectly. Its not that only Daikaio weakened him its that only Daikaio was mentioned to have weakened him. Even so there is something that make Kid Buu stronger reguardless of only Daikaio being the only that is mentioned in the Guide Books. You see someone else brought up a good point. Kaioshin energy might not be negative but it would still leave it with generally just not doing anything to Buu based on Dabura's statement. That said Buuoshins power would be equal to Kid Buu's power. This would mean Kid Buu is still superior because Buuoshin was stated to be superior to Super Buu. The muscles point is not true in the slightest. Muscle bulge does not mean there has to be a Ki increase. Ki and Muscle are not related at all. Here is the thing lets look at SSJ2 and USSJ. SSJ2 is just as powerful if not more powerful but the musle size is toned down to make room for speed. Muscle increase for characters that have Ki growth with the muscles is explained with there body simply cant handle it so it expands to make room for the Ki. That is why asension is necessary. Thats also why Broly, Trunks, Cell, and Vegeta get big. Ah you see I went into detail about the whole Kid Buu vs SSJ3 Goku thing. Remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? He was still restrained before spitting him out, thats why he couldnt attack Mr Satan. This being said Buu's power was restricted while fighting Goku making it seem like the were near equals.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dude saying you saw something isnt enough. You have to provide evidence
That's okay, would rather pick your argument apart with clear power statements from the manga. Goku says they will die against Super Buu.

Super Buu >>> SSjin 3 Goku stated.

Goku says that they can manage something against Kid Buu.

Super Buu >>> Kid Buu implied.

SSjin 3 Goku proceeds to fight evenly with Kid Buu.

Kid Buu > Super Buu >>> SSjin 3 Goku ~ Kid Buu is impossible.

I already went into detail about this using proof from the manga. Remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? Kid Buu was still restrained by the Good Buu until he spit him out. Proof of this lies in the fact that he couldnt attack Mister Satan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kibito Kai never says that just Daikaio. He just says absorption which can mean absorption generally.

Kaioshin is very clear that only Dai Kaioshin decreased Boo's power. I don't know why you stick which the ambiguity of a single word that has no effect in the text as a whole.

No... no he didnt. I suggest you read the comment he made. He does not refer to Daikaio he refers to just I repeat just absorbtions he does not direct that statement to just Daikaio.

Now based on the few times that Kaioshin influence is generally viewd as negative to Buu

Such a thing has never been said in the series.[/quote]

Potara negated, Kaioshins energy cant be used to revive Buu, Kibito Kaioshin is not specific about whom weakened Buu. Its all there.

[dbzfan7]

Other then my previous post, in the Daizenshuu 7, Dai Kaioshin is the only one mentioned weakening Kid Boo while South Kaioshin wasn't mentioned weakening him.

The quote says absorption when mentioned by Kibitoshin, which can mean 1 or 2, but as stated in the Daiz, only Dai Kaioshin weakened him.

Also when has growing muscles ever made you weaker in DBZ. It's practically a fact that every time your muscles grow, your strength increases.

Referring to one of my last points, Goku always believed he could beat Kid Boo without fusion, he never believed he could beat Super Boo without fusion. If Kid Boo was stronger, why would Goku want to fight someone stronger then Super Boo alone after he said fusion was the only way to beat Super Boo. Logically fighting someone stronger then Super Boo would be pointless when fusion was already needed to beat Super Boo.

You view this incorrectly. Its not that only Daikaio weakened him its that only Daikaio was mentioned to have weakened him. Even so there is something that make Kid Buu stronger reguardless of only Daikaio being the only that is mentioned in the Guide Books. You see someone else brought up a good point. Kaioshin energy might not be negative but it would still leave it with generally just not doing anything to Buu based on Dabura's statement. That said Buuoshins power would be equal to Kid Buu's power. This would mean Kid Buu is still superior because Buuoshin was stated to be superior to Super Buu. The muscles point is not true in the slightest. Muscle bulge does not mean there has to be a Ki increase. Ki and Muscle are not related at all. Here is the thing lets look at SSJ2 and USSJ. SSJ2 is just as powerful if not more powerful but the musle size is toned down to make room for speed. Muscle increase for characters that have Ki growth with the muscles is explained with there body simply cant handle it so it expands to make room for the Ki. That is why asension is necessary. Thats also why Broly, Trunks, Cell, and Vegeta get big. Ah you see I went into detail about the whole Kid Buu vs SSJ3 Goku thing. Remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? He was still restrained before spitting him out, thats why he couldnt attack Mr Satan. This being said Buu's power was restricted while fighting Goku making it seem like the were near equals.

Dai Kaioshin was the only mentioned one weakening him. Nothing says Kaioshin energy wouldn't do anything to Boo. Dai Kaioshin changed Boo completely into a whole different person. Your are looking at this from a flawed perspective. South Kaioshin obviously strengthened him considering Buff Boo is stronger then Super, and Goku said he could always beat Kid Boo, but never stood chance against Super.

I said when has muscle increase not made you stronger. Not compare it to other forms. Muscle increase has always made people stronger. I doesn't mean it is required, but name one instance someone's muscles inflated and didn't get stronger.

Your Mr.Boo theory is full of shit. It is only shown holding back against Mr. Satan because that is Boo's best friend. Nothing even suggests that held him back against Goku. Fat Boo even said he didn't like Goku the first and only time they met, so why would he restrain him their. You would have notice Kid Boo pull punches if he was being restricted before. You are using a poor, baseless theory to cover up the fact Goku said he could beat Kid Boo but not Super Boo.

Potara was negated by Bad air. That was stated in the guide books.

In the quote he mentions no change of getting weaker until he mentions Dai Kaioshin. When he mentions South Kaioshin, he never stated he got weaker.

[mattymoron]

Every time someone provides direct proof from the manga you simply say, "I've already said that doesn't count," without addressing why. The idea of creating a thread is to foster discussion, but all you're doing is reiterating the same points over and over again any time someone disagrees with you.


The leaps of circular logic necessary to come to the conclusion that Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo are really just fascinating to me.

[TheMightyOzaru]

1. Goku has stated he can defeat Kid Buu at full power and fresh.

True but that was before Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu who was clearly restraining Kid Buu. Ex: He couldnt attack mister Satan

2. Goku prevented Vegeta from blowing a hole in Super Buu to exit because neither him nor Vegeta could beat him. So he suggests fusion.[/quote]
Umm no... very much no that didnt happen at all -_-. Goku attempted to blow a hole in Buu and it didnt work. However yes Goku does suggest fusion.

So, so far as we know Super Buu must be stronger if Goku clearly tells Vegeta that they can't win without fusion. Lets take this a little further.[/quote]
No duh I'm not arguing that Goku is stronger than Super Buu =/.

3. Goku has faith a fusion between the kids will defeat Fat Buu. We know from the little comedy part that Base Gotenks can't but we must assume that SSJ Gotenks can by the fact that of how much faith they put into the fusion technique.[/quote]
Again duh this doesnt pertain to the argument at all.

4. This would make Base Gotenks >>>> Base Goku. Why? Because all SSJ forms are merely modifiers for their base forms so if SSJ Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) can apparently fight on par with Fat Buu and possibly beat him then Gotenks must be at least 8 times stronger than Goku in his base form for his SSJ to match Goku's SSJ3, perhaps a little less as he may be weaker. We know that Goku can't beat Fat Buu without SSJ3 so this stands by itself.[/quote]
You heavily misunderstand power. Gotenks is not >>>>> Base Goku =/. Base Gotenks only has to be 8x stronger than base Goku to have his SSJ form be equivilent to Goku's SSJ3 form which BTW Goku claims he could have beaten the Fat Majin Buu no problem. He was holding back. Gotenks does not have to be that much stronger than Goku he just has to be stronger than the Fat Buu whom is weaker than SSJ3 Goku. I dont believe SSJ2 Goku 4x weaker than Fat Buu.


5. This also means that SSJ3 Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku. Gotenks power is still 8x stronger than Goku's in this form for his obvious base powerlevel advantage.[/quote]
Gotenks is at maximum 8x stronger than Goku which doesnt mean Gotenks >>>> Goku.

6. Super Buu states that his only threat is Gohan. This means that he is confident he could beat SSJ3 Gotenks but he stalled to use up the kids fusion so he could absorb them when they have a fresh fusion to beat Gohan.[/quote]
Super Buu does not state that Gohan is the only threat. Super Buu was pretty much dead even with SSJ3 Gotenks.

7. If Super Buu states that his only threat is Gohan then it stands to reason that he's at least a little stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Meaning he's 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Again this is not necessarily the case. I think Gohan is only slightly lower than 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Probably more like 7.5 stronger IMO

So what do we learn from this? Unless Goku is some sort of god who just keeps increasing in battle power then Kid Buu, who is around SSJ3 Goku's level is STILL 8 times weaker than Super Buu. So, when his power increased by becoming Buff Buu, it did go back down.[/quote]

No that simply is not the case. Goku is weaker than Gotenks and Gohan. You are just looking past certain details. Again Kid Buu was restrained by the Good Buu. Does that mean he is stronger than Super Buu when the Good Buu is removed? No but its a possibity and based on other evidence that Kaioshin is abnormal it leads to the conclusion that Kid Buu might be superior.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dai Kaioshin was the only mentioned one weakening him. Nothing says Kaioshin energy wouldn't do anything to Boo. Dai Kaioshin changed Boo completely into a whole different person. Your are looking at this from a flawed perspective. South Kaioshin obviously strengthened him considering Buff Boo is stronger then Super, and Goku said he could always beat Kid Boo, but never stood chance against Super.

I said when has muscle increase not made you stronger. Not compare it to other forms. Muscle increase has always made people stronger. I doesn't mean it is required, but name one instance someone's muscles inflated and didn't get stronger.

Your Mr.Boo theory is full of shit. It is only shown holding back against Mr. Satan because that is Boo's best friend. Nothing even suggests that held him back against Goku. Fat Boo even said he didn't like Goku the first and only time they met, so why would he restrain him their. You would have notice Kid Boo pull punches if he was being restricted before. You are using a poor, baseless theory to cover up the fact Goku said he could beat Kid Boo but not Super Boo.

Potara was negated by Bad air. That was stated in the guide books.

In the quote he mentions no change of getting weaker until he mentions Dai Kaioshin. When he mentions South Kaioshin, he never stated he got weaker.

Sigh... I really hate repeating myself. Ok here we go. Dabura states flat out that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu. What conclsions can be made by this? Only 2. Either Kaioshin influence is negative or its ineffective. That said either South kaioshin reduced Buu's power or it left it the same. its made very clear that Buu responds abnormally to Kaioshin influence. Thus leading to this conclusion. Kid Buu > Southern Kaioshin Buu or Kid Buu = Southern Kaioshin Buu. Southern Kaiohsin Buu > Super Buu. Oh its full of shit now is it? Prove it. Buu restrained him making it very clear that Good Buu had a minimul control over him allowing him to reduce his power. That and Southern Kaioshin and Daikaioshin are still inside that Good Buu.

[dbzfan7]

1. Goku has stated he can defeat Kid Buu at full power and fresh.

True but that was before Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu who was clearly restraining Kid Buu. Ex: He couldnt attack mister Satan

Umm no... very much no that didnt happen at all -_-. Goku attempted to blow a hole in Buu and it didnt work. However yes Goku does suggest fusion.

Says there is no way to beat Super Boo without Fusion

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”

Suggests he can beat Boo if he goes all out.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

[TheMightyOzaru]

1. Goku has stated he can defeat Kid Buu at full power and fresh.

True but that was before Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu who was clearly restraining Kid Buu. Ex: He couldnt attack mister Satan

Umm no... very much no that didnt happen at all -_-. Goku attempted to blow a hole in Buu and it didnt work. However yes Goku does suggest fusion.

Says there is no way to beat Super Boo without Fusion

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”

Suggests he can beat Boo if he goes all out.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

And this proves what exactly?

[dbzfan7]

Sigh... I really hate repeating myself. Ok here we go. Dabura states flat out that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu. What conclsions can be made by this? Only 2. Either Kaioshin influence is negative or its ineffective. That said either South kaioshin reduced Buu's power or it left it the same. its made very clear that Buu responds abnormally to Kaioshin influence. Thus leading to this conclusion. Kid Buu > Southern Kaioshin Buu or Kid Buu = Southern Kaioshin Buu. Southern Kaiohsin Buu > Super Buu. Oh its full of shit now is it? Prove it. Buu restrained him making it very clear that Good Buu had a minimul control over him allowing him to reduce his power. That and Southern Kaioshin and Daikaioshin are still inside that Good Buu.

Kaioshin Energy is ineffective because there is no telling what it would do to Boo. It could make him stronger like South Kaioshin. Or mold him into a completely new entity Fat Boo. Taking Kaioshin energy could make him even more screwed up from his original state.


How does Goku go from saying Boo is getting stronger to saying we can handle him. Even after their fight he still says he could win if he charges his Ki. Prove one instance it is shown Boo being magically stopped during the Goku fight. You only see it with Mr. Satan because that is the only person Mr. Boo cares for.

[dbzfan7]

1. Goku has stated he can defeat Kid Buu at full power and fresh.

True but that was before Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu who was clearly restraining Kid Buu. Ex: He couldnt attack mister Satan

Umm no... very much no that didnt happen at all -_-. Goku attempted to blow a hole in Buu and it didnt work. However yes Goku does suggest fusion.

Says there is no way to beat Super Boo without Fusion

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”

Suggests he can beat Boo if he goes all out.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

And this proves what exactly?

It proves there was no way to beat Super Boo without Fusion and that Kid Boo can be beaten if Goku charged his Ki to full. Why would Goku insist Fusion for Super Boo, but say he can beat Kid Boo without it.

[Hitiro]

I already went into detail about this using proof from the manga. Remember when Kid Buu spit out the Good Buu? Kid Buu was still restrained by the Good Buu until he spit him out. Proof of this lies in the fact that he couldnt attack Mister Satan.

Good Buu never restrained Super Buu's power when they were connected through the absorption. Absorbing Fat Buu made Super Buu at least 8 times stronger than Fat Buu. So are you saying that somehow because Fat Buu was inside Kid Buu somewhere it made Kid Buu over 8 times weaker? There is a flaw in your logic if you believe that. Also don't you think Goku and Vegeta would have said something if spitting him out increased his power by so much? The fact is they didn't so you really can't claim that because Kid Buu spit out Good Buu it made him stronger.

No that simply is not the case. Goku is weaker than Gotenks and Gohan. You are just looking past certain details. Again Kid Buu was restrained by the Good Buu. Does that mean he is stronger than Super Buu when the Good Buu is removed? No but its a possibity and based on other evidence that Kaioshin is abnormal it leads to the conclusion that Kid Buu might be superior.

Sorry, but that is the case. Super Buu is at least 8 times stronger than Fat Buu because, as far as we know, SSJ Gotenks should be able to beat Fat Buu. We know that SSJ3 Gotenks is 8 times stronger than SSJ Gotenks(because 50 x 8 = 400, which is the SSJ3 multipliers effect on his base form) and Super Buu said that his only threat is Gohan. So Super Buu being at least 8 times stronger is really just the minimum. Now then, if we say that Super Buu is 8 times stronger than Fat Buu from your theory Kid Buu would be more than 8 times stronger. This is impossible as there is no way that Goku who can only fight against Fat Buu if he's in SSJ3 could be that strong. That would mean that Goku could actually defeat Fat Buu as a SSJ as Gotenks could. And you are forgetting the fact that Buu's power INCREASED when he went to the Buff Buu which you claim didn't decrease when he reverted to Kid Buu. So That puts him well over 8 times Fat Buu even with your "restrained theory".

[TheMightyOzaru]

Sigh... I really hate repeating myself. Ok here we go. Dabura states flat out that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu. What conclsions can be made by this? Only 2. Either Kaioshin influence is negative or its ineffective. That said either South kaioshin reduced Buu's power or it left it the same. its made very clear that Buu responds abnormally to Kaioshin influence. Thus leading to this conclusion. Kid Buu > Southern Kaioshin Buu or Kid Buu = Southern Kaioshin Buu. Southern Kaiohsin Buu > Super Buu. Oh its full of shit now is it? Prove it. Buu restrained him making it very clear that Good Buu had a minimul control over him allowing him to reduce his power. That and Southern Kaioshin and Daikaioshin are still inside that Good Buu.

Kaioshin Energy is ineffective because there is no telling what it would do to Boo. It could make him stronger like South Kaioshin. Or mold him into a completely new entity Fat Boo. Taking Kaioshin energy could make him even more screwed up from his original state.


How does Goku go from saying Boo is getting stronger to saying we can handle him. Even after their fight he still says he could win if he charges his Ki. Prove one instance it is shown Boo being magically stopped during the Goku fight. You only see it with Mr. Satan because that is the only person Mr. Boo cares for.

Umm no Dabura staed that we cant use Kaioshins energy. Dabura is too a demon so he would more than likely know if the energy of the God's is incompatible. Buu spit Buu out after Goku and Buu fought. Secondly the Good Buu still has Daikaio's influence which has been stated to decrease Buu's power. Good Buu restraining him just proves he does not have to be connected to influence him. I see no reason for Daikaio's influence in Buu to cause no effect when he proves he can restrain him without being connected.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buu never restrained Super Buu's power when they were connected through the absorption. Absorbing Fat Buu made Super Buu at least 8 times stronger than Fat Buu. So are you saying that somehow because Fat Buu was inside Kid Buu somewhere it made Kid Buu over 8 times weaker? There is a flaw in your logic if you believe that. Also don't you think Goku and Vegeta would have said something if spitting him out increased his power by so much? The fact is they didn't so you really

Umm yes he did in fact. Remember when Super Buu was gonna attack Mister Satan? The Good Buu restrained him there =/.

Sorry, but that is the case. Super Buu is at least 8 times stronger than Fat Buu because, as far as we know, SSJ Gotenks should be able to beat Fat Buu. We know that SSJ3 Gotenks is 8 times stronger than SSJ Gotenks(because 50 x 8 = 400, which is the SSJ3 multipliers effect on his base form) and Super Buu said that his only threat is Gohan. So Super Buu being at least 8 times stronger is really just the minimum. Now then, if we say that Super Buu is 8 times stronger than Fat Buu from your theory Kid Buu would be more than 8 times stronger. This is impossible as there is no way that Goku who can only fight against Fat Buu if he's in SSJ3 could be that strong. That would mean that Goku could actually defeat Fat Buu as a SSJ as Gotenks could. And you are forgetting the fact that Buu's power INCREASED when he went to the Buff Buu which you claim didn't decrease when he reverted to Kid Buu. So That puts him well over 8 times Fat Buu.

I'm well aware Super Buu is equal to SSJ3 Gotenks but Like I said before SSJ Gotenks does not have to be equal to SSJ3 Goku he just has to be stronger than the Fat Buu. Yeah Buff Buu's power increasing past Super Buu helps prove my point. You apperantly dont listen. Kid Buu's power decreased because Good Buu was still in there.

[dbzfan7]

Sigh... I really hate repeating myself. Ok here we go. Dabura states flat out that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu. What conclsions can be made by this? Only 2. Either Kaioshin influence is negative or its ineffective. That said either South kaioshin reduced Buu's power or it left it the same. its made very clear that Buu responds abnormally to Kaioshin influence. Thus leading to this conclusion. Kid Buu > Southern Kaioshin Buu or Kid Buu = Southern Kaioshin Buu. Southern Kaiohsin Buu > Super Buu. Oh its full of shit now is it? Prove it. Buu restrained him making it very clear that Good Buu had a minimul control over him allowing him to reduce his power. That and Southern Kaioshin and Daikaioshin are still inside that Good Buu.

Kaioshin Energy is ineffective because there is no telling what it would do to Boo. It could make him stronger like South Kaioshin. Or mold him into a completely new entity Fat Boo. Taking Kaioshin energy could make him even more screwed up from his original state.


How does Goku go from saying Boo is getting stronger to saying we can handle him. Even after their fight he still says he could win if he charges his Ki. Prove one instance it is shown Boo being magically stopped during the Goku fight. You only see it with Mr. Satan because that is the only person Mr. Boo cares for.

Umm no Dabura staed that we cant use Kaioshins energy. Dabura is too a demon so he would more than likely know if the energy of the God's is incompatible. Buu spit Buu out after Goku and Buu fought. Secondly the Good Buu still has Daikaio's influence which has been stated to decrease Buu's power. Good Buu restraining him just proves he does not have to be connected to influence him. I see no reason for Daikaio's influence in Buu to cause no effect when he proves he can restrain him without being connected.

He never said incompatible, he said we can't use Kaioshin energy. Show one scan where we see Kid Boo randomly felt this resistance. He would have gotten rid of Fat Boo earlier if he was holding him back against Goku. We see Fat Boo hold Kid Boo back against Mr. Satan, but we don't for Goku, I wonder why. Is it because that was the only true time because you can actually see him being held back. While we saw no restraints during his fight with Goku. We would have seen Kid Boo pull punches if he was held back against Goku. Not once does he get a headache like he did against Mr. Satan.

Umm yes he did in fact. Remember when Super Buu was gonna attack Mister Satan? The Good Buu restrained him there =/.

Super Boo isn't pure evil. He has all the memories of Boo so he couldn't bring himself to kill Mr. Satan.

Again Goku said there was absolutely no way to beat Super Boo without fusion. But he said he could beat Kid Boo. He would not dare fight Kid Boo alone if he was stronger then Super Boo, like he said for Super Boo "we'd be no match for his strength." So why would Goku suddenly lose a brain and fight Kid Boo alone who you say is stronger then Super Boo.

[hleV]

So far all you've been doing was trying to neglect the points that are in Evil Boo's favor. For once, give us something that implies Pure Boo's superiority over Evil Boo.

And I highly doubt that Evil Boo is equal to SSJ3 Gotenks. In my book, SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger by a good margin, just too foolish to fight seriously. Mightiest Warrior Gohan shows how one has to fight, and I don't have Gohan much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He never said incompatible, he said we can't use Kaioshin energy. Show one scan where we see Kid Boo randomly felt this resistance. He would have gotten rid of Fat Boo earlier if he was holding him back against Goku. We see Fat Boo hold Kid Boo back against Mr. Satan, but we don't for Goku, I wonder why. Is it because that was the only true time because you can actually see him being held back. While we saw no restraints during his fight with Goku.

No that is not the case please pay attention. Good Buu intervened when he was gonna attack Mr Satan. Kid Buu was unaware he was inhibited during his fight with Goku because Daikaio's influnce was not apperant. Daikaio being connected is clearly irrelivant since Good Buu whom was capable of intervening without being connected did. Need I remind you that Good Buu is still influenced by Daikaio.

[TheMightyOzaru]

So far all you've been doing was trying to neglect the points that are in Evil Boo's favor. For once, give us something that implies Pure Boo's superiority over Evil Boo.

And I highly doubt that Evil Boo is equal to SSJ3 Gotenks. In my book, SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger by a good margin, just too foolish to fight seriously. Mightiest Warrior Gohan shows how one has to fight, and I don't have Gohan much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

Not really Super Buu irritated SSJ3 Gotenks. They are close to equal with SSJ3 Gotenks holding the possible advantage. I have mentioned why people think Super Buu is superior in the past. Goku says he cant take him yet says he can handle Kid Buu. People think Southern Kaioshin increased Buu's power. Thats pretty much the only evidence they have. This evidence is pretty much negated by Dabura's statement which states that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu. This being said either Kaioshin influence is negative or just doesnt affect Buu. If it is negative Kid Buu is stronger than the South Kai Buu and Super Buu is stated to be weaker than him. If it does nothing that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu whom again was stated to be stronger than Super Buu.

[dbzfan7]

He never said incompatible, he said we can't use Kaioshin energy. Show one scan where we see Kid Boo randomly felt this resistance. He would have gotten rid of Fat Boo earlier if he was holding him back against Goku. We see Fat Boo hold Kid Boo back against Mr. Satan, but we don't for Goku, I wonder why. Is it because that was the only true time because you can actually see him being held back. While we saw no restraints during his fight with Goku.

No that is not the case please pay attention. Good Buu intervened when he was gonna attack Mr Satan. Kid Buu was unaware he was inhibited during his fight with Goku because Daikaio's influnce was not apperant. Daikaio being connected is clearly irrelivant since Good Buu whom was capable of intervening without being connected did. Need I remind you that Good Buu is still influenced by Daikaio.

So you are saying he was being held back without knowing it. That is beyond stupid. No where in the manga is it shown he is holding back during his fight with Goku. You are using a scene that happened after the fight to interpret something that was never there. Stop ignoring everyone's points. You throw away everything related to strength for 2 points. Why would he hold him back against Goku. Fat Boo said he hates Goku.

Dabura never says why Kaioshin energy is bad. you are interpreting your answer and ignoring every strength argument that solves the whole point.

Goku would not fight someone stronger then Super Boo alone unless he was sure he could win. If Super Boo was beyond him, why does Kid Boo sound like a good idea to fight alone if you think he is stronger. That's like Bardock logic of if Dodoria kicked my ass, i can definitely beat Freeza.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He never said incompatible, he said we can't use Kaioshin energy. Show one scan where we see Kid Boo randomly felt this resistance. He would have gotten rid of Fat Boo earlier if he was holding him back against Goku. We see Fat Boo hold Kid Boo back against Mr. Satan, but we don't for Goku, I wonder why. Is it because that was the only true time because you can actually see him being held back. While we saw no restraints during his fight with Goku.

No that is not the case please pay attention. Good Buu intervened when he was gonna attack Mr Satan. Kid Buu was unaware he was inhibited during his fight with Goku because Daikaio's influnce was not apperant. Daikaio being connected is clearly irrelivant since Good Buu whom was capable of intervening without being connected did. Need I remind you that Good Buu is still influenced by Daikaio.

So you are saying he was being held back without knowing it. That is beyond stupid. No where in the manga is it shown he is holding back during his fight with Goku. You are using a scene that happened after the fight to interpret something that was never there. Stop ignoring everyone's points. You throw away everything related to strength for 2 points.

Dabura never says why Kaioshin energy is bad. you are interpreting your answer and ignoring every strength argument that solves the whole point.

He isnt holding back he is being restrained there is a difference. Super Buu still has Kaioshin influence in him that weakens him and he doesnt notice at all =/. Dude what the hell? I am not throwing away everyones points. You sir are throwing away mine calling them stupid or illogical. Its a little hypocritical if you ask me. I view your points and I use the manga to make an argument against them. I'm not saying that Kid Buu is factually the best I am simply throwing out solid theorys that could lead to Kid Buu's superiority. The thing is no one can seem to discredit Dabura's statement logically so I cant seem to bring myself to think that Super Buu is stronger. I could go either way and when someone bests me Ill admit it but no one has come up with concrete evidence againsts my claims as such you cannot view them as stupid or illogical if you simply disagree or dont like them. Oh and one more thing. The Good Buu isnt holding Kid Buu's power back when fighting Goku its Daikaio's in the form of Buu's presence inside Buu's body.