Kid Buu

[Hitiro]

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Lol you proved nothing with that . No where does it say that Gohan is his only threat. In case you had forgotten Gotenks was giving him a run for his money =/.

You clearly have something wrong with your eyes if you believe that Gotenks is a threat. Read the Strength Checker and you will see that it says "You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest." Nowhere does he indicate about Gotenks being as strong as him or a threat. Only Gohan. And further, you still haven't explained why Goku nor Vegeta said anything about Kid Buu's apparent boost in power after he spat out Good Buu. They would say something if his power increased by 6 times its original level.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Lol you proved nothing with that . No where does it say that Gohan is his only threat. In case you had forgotten Gotenks was giving him a run for his money =/.

You clearly have something wrong with your eyes if you believe that Gotenks is a threat. Read the Strength Checker and you will see that it says "You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest." Nowhere does he indicate about Gotenks being as strong as him or a threat. Only Gohan. And further, you still haven't explained why Goku nor Vegeta said anything about Kid Buu's apparent boost in power after he spat out Good Buu. They would say something if his power increased by 6 times its original level.

Fuck the strength checker it doesnt prove anything. The manga is what matters. Buu SAID NOTHING about Gotenks NOT being a threat. I suggest you open your eyes. Buu had a hard time with Gotenks. Actually go back and read the fight.

[Hitiro]

Fuck the strength checker it doesnt prove anything. The manga is what matters. Buu SAID NOTHING about Gotenks NOT being a threat. I suggest you open your eyes. Buu had a hard time with Gotenks. Actually go back and read the fight.

What do you mean? The strength checker IS from the Manga. All the strength checker is just a thread with every line in to do with strength translated directly from Japanese by Herms straight from the Manga. So it DOES have relevance. And your still avoid the explanation of why Goku nor Vegeta said anything about Kid Buu's power sky-rocketing by 6x his original strength after he spat Good Buu out.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fuck the strength checker it doesnt prove anything. The manga is what matters. Buu SAID NOTHING about Gotenks NOT being a threat. I suggest you open your eyes. Buu had a hard time with Gotenks. Actually go back and read the fight.

What do you mean? The strength checker IS from the Manga. All the strength checker is, is every line to do with strength translated directly from Japanese by Herms straight from the Manga. So it DOES have relevance. And your still avoid the explanation of why Goku nor Vegeta said anything about Kid Buu's power sky-rocketing by 6x his original strength after he spat Good Buu out.

Daikaio reduced the Buff Buu's power a lot I see no reason for it to be much different for Kid Buu. The Strength checker again doesnt prove the point you are trying to get across. Gotenks gave a Buu a run for his money heck he even seemed a little stronger. Buu didnt pay too much mind because of his plan but had Gotenks got a good hit in instead playing around he would have ended him.

[Hitiro]

Daikaio reduced the Buff Buu's power a lot I see no reason for it to be much different for Kid Buu.

For starters Daikaio reduced the Buff Buu's power because he was absorbed. This is a different scenario entirely as Good Buu is just lingering in Kid Buu's body without being actually connected to him. But relevance does this have with Goku or Vegeta commenting on why Kid Buu's power increased by 6x? It doesn't change the fact that if Kid Buu's power did shoot up to over 6x its original level the characters would have said something. Just because its true in one scenario does not make it true in another.

The Strength checker again doesnt prove the point you are trying to get across. Gotenks gave a Buu a run for his money heck he even seemed a little stronger. Buu didnt pay too much mind because of his plan but had Gotenks got a good hit in instead playing around he would have ended him.

If Buu felt that way then he would have at least said something, instead he told Gohan he was just stalling for time instead of absorbing Gotenks before Gohan arrived because he knew the fusion would be up before he could use it. It doesn't change the fact that Super Buu clearly states that no one is stronger than him except Gohan or that he said he should be the only one who is the "absolute strongest" do you see what he says here? Absolute, as in no question that he's the strongest.

[Kaboom]

Fuck the strength checker it doesnt prove anything. The manga is what matters. Buu SAID NOTHING about Gotenks NOT being a threat. I suggest you open your eyes. Buu had a hard time with Gotenks. Actually go back and read the fight.

Watch the attitude, please.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Daikaio reduced the Buff Buu's power a lot I see no reason for it to be much different for Kid Buu.

What relevance does this have with Goku or Vegeta commenting on why Kid Buu's power increased by 6x? It doesn't change the fact that if Kid Buu's power did shoot up to over 6x its original level the characters would have said something.

Oh yes that thing. He doesnt exactly have to say something along those lines. I find this to be a good counter argument. When Gohan fueled the Genki Dama Goku said it still wasnt enough and like I said before Gohan's Ki may not be full but a good 2/3 of his energy is still greater than Super Buu's and SSJ3 Goku's. Also like I said before he gave as much as he could just like everyone else did and notice that Kibito Kai is so drained of Ki he cant even use IT anymore. This proves Genki is a large portion of Ki. This would also support Buu's power increasing after Good Buu was removed.

The Strength checker again doesnt prove the point you are trying to get across. Gotenks gave a Buu a run for his money heck he even seemed a little stronger. Buu didnt pay too much mind because of his plan but had Gotenks got a good hit in instead playing around he would have ended him.

If Buu felt that way then he would have at least said something, instead he told Gohan he was just stalling for time instead of absorbing Gotenks before Gohan arrived because he knew the fusion would be up before he could use it. It doesn't change the fact that Super Buu clearly states that no one is stronger than him except Gohan or that he said he should be the only one who is the "absolute strongest" do you see what he says here? Absolute, as in no question that he's the strongest.

I could really care less what Buu says. The fight made it evident that Gotenks was just as strong if not superior. Vegeta says all the time he is the strongest but does that hold any truth? No not at all.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Fuck the strength checker it doesnt prove anything. The manga is what matters. Buu SAID NOTHING about Gotenks NOT being a threat. I suggest you open your eyes. Buu had a hard time with Gotenks. Actually go back and read the fight.

Watch the attitude, please.

kk.

[Hitiro]

Oh yes that thing. He doesnt exactly have to say something along those lines. I find this to be a good counter argument. When Gohan fueled the Genki Dama Goku said it still wasnt enough and like I said before Gohan's Ki may not be full but a good 2/3 of his energy is still greater than Super Buu's and SSJ3 Goku's. Also like I said before he gave as much as he could just like everyone else did and notice that Kibito Kai is so drained of Ki he cant even use IT anymore. This proves Genki is a large portion of Ki. This would also support Buu's power increasing after Good Buu was removed.

Actually seeing as Goku was in the middle of charging his ki in SSJ3 to defeat Kid Buu he would have definitely said something if Kid Buu's powerlevel shot up 6x its original strength. It would make the whole "I need a minute to get enough power to defeat Kid Buu" thing redundant yet he still continued to try and gather power. So tell me, was Goku perfectly fine because he also increased his powerlevel by 6 times as well? Also Genki doesn't necessarily have to be the largest type of ki. It could just mean Kibito Kaioshin requires Genki to use the IT Technique where as a Kamehameha may need to use another type of ki.

I could really care less what Buu says. The fight made it evident that Gotenks was just as strong if not superior. Vegeta says all the time he is the strongest but does that hold any truth? No not at all.

The difference being Buu purposely drew out Gotenks fight to make sure he could get him to re-fuse at a later time for Buu to have the full fusion period. This isn't something a person would do without a clear strength advantage. It may have looked like Gotenks had the upper hand but, as I said, Buu was trying to prolong the fight to use up the fusion so he could absorb him fresh. Also I don't think beating down on your potential power source is a good idea as you will just be making yourself weaker in the long run.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oh yes that thing. He doesnt exactly have to say something along those lines. I find this to be a good counter argument. When Gohan fueled the Genki Dama Goku said it still wasnt enough and like I said before Gohan's Ki may not be full but a good 2/3 of his energy is still greater than Super Buu's and SSJ3 Goku's. Also like I said before he gave as much as he could just like everyone else did and notice that Kibito Kai is so drained of Ki he cant even use IT anymore. This proves Genki is a large portion of Ki. This would also support Buu's power increasing after Good Buu was removed.

Actually seeing as Goku was in the middle of charging his ki in SSJ3 to defeat Kid Buu he would have definitely said something if Kid Buu's powerlevel shot up 6x its original strength. It would make the whole "I need a minute to get enough power to defeat Kid Buu" thing redundant yet he still continued to try and gather power. So tell me, was Goku perfectly fine because he also increased his powerlevel by 6 times as well? Also Genki doesn't necessarily have to be the largest type of ki. It could just mean Kibito Kaioshin requires Genki to use the IT Technique where as a Kamehameha may need to use another type of ki.

Umm no everyone is exhausted after giving Genki. I dont see what makes IT so special its a Ki based technique like every other Ki based technique like the kamehameha and what-not. Honestly after realizing he cant win anyway I dont see why his power shooting up about 6x would surprise him especially since Buu was surprising him at every turn. He even said he was stronger than expected.

Wrong. Goku ran out of Ki when Buu spit out the Good Buu. He wasnt focused on charging at all.

I could really care less what Buu says. The fight made it evident that Gotenks was just as strong if not superior. Vegeta says all the time he is the strongest but does that hold any truth? No not at all.

The difference being Buu purposely drew out Gotenks fight to make sure he could get him to re-fuse at a later time for Buu to have the full fusion period. This isn't something a person would do without a clear strength advantage. It may have looked like Gotenks had the upper hand but, as I said, Buu was trying to prolong the fight to use up the fusion so he could absorb him fresh. Also I don't think beating down on your potential power source is a good idea as you will just be making yourself weaker in the long run.

Not true at all. If he had no hopes of Beating Gohan he would resort to something like that.

[Hitiro]

Umm no everyone is exhausted after giving Genki. I dont see what makes IT so special its a Ki based technique like every other Ki based technique like the kamehameha and what-not. Honestly after realizing he cant win anyway I dont see why his power shooting up about 6x would surprise him especially since Buu was surprising him at every turn. He even said he was stronger than expected.

You use ki in different ways, using so much of Genki and so much of another type of ki will produce X technique. Mixtures of ki types is what's important when trying to use certain techniques. If you throw the same ki types in the same percentages you'll always get the same result. Something like Genki: 20% Xki: 40% Yki: 40% = Kamehameha.

Wrong. Goku ran out of Ki when Buu spit out the Good Buu. He wasnt focused on charging at all.

Then you clearly don't remember much about the Buu saga. There are 9 pages of Goku still charging his ki after Kid Buu spat out Good Buu. So I guess you're the one thats wrong here.

Not true at all. If he had no hopes of Beating Gohan he would resort to something like that.

Not really, all he has to do is remain hidden until Gohan arrives and then absorb him or Gotenks after he re-fuses. He didn't have to fight Gotenks at all if he didn't want to.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Umm no everyone is exhausted after giving Genki. I dont see what makes IT so special its a Ki based technique like every other Ki based technique like the kamehameha and what-not. Honestly after realizing he cant win anyway I dont see why his power shooting up about 6x would surprise him especially since Buu was surprising him at every turn. He even said he was stronger than expected.

You use ki in different ways, using so much of Genki and so much of another type of ki will produce X technique. Mixtures of ki types is what's important when trying to use certain techniques. If you throw the same ki types in the same percentages you'll always get the same result. Something like Genki: 20% Xki: 40% Yki: 40% = Kamehameha.

Wrong. Goku ran out of Ki when Buu spit out the Good Buu. He wasnt focused on charging at all.

Then you clearly don't remember much about the Buu saga. There are 9 pages of Goku still charging his ki after Kid Buu spat out Good Buu. So I guess you're the one thats wrong here.

Not true at all. If he had no hopes of Beating Gohan he would resort to something like that.

Not really, all he has to do is remain hidden until Gohan arrives and then absorb him or Gotenks after he re-fuses. He didn't have to fight Gotenks at all if he didn't want to.

He was focused on simply maintaining the transformation not gaining Ki. He was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 stopped working on him. Fighting in DBZ is also really fast paced so all of those pages could have happened while that page was going on. Genki is still obviously a large portion. When Kibito Kai says he is drained and cant use a Ki based technique I'm gonna assume that Genki is a large portion of Ki. Gotenks would have dragged Buu out. Again actually read the fight. Gotenks is equal if not superior.

[Hitiro]

He was focused on simply maintaining the transformation not gaining Ki. He was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 stopped working on him. Fighting in DBZ is also really fast paced so all of those pages could have happened while that page was going on. Genki is still obviously a large portion. When Kibito Kai says he is drained and cant use a Ki based technique I'm gonna assume that Genki is a large portion of Ki. Gotenks would have dragged Buu out. Again actually read the fight. Gotenks is equal if not superior.

To be honest, your just making up excuses for why your theories should be correct. Goku said he was close to full power but then his ki started dropping off again. That doesn't mean to say that he was having trouble maintaining the form. He only realises that when the form actually vanishes. And no, Goku was on at least every page actually reacting to what was happening around him. You're just grasping at straws really. As for Gotenks he was indeed giving Buu a good run for his money but that doesn't change the fact that Buu says that his only threat is Gohan. You can throw as many excuses my way as you want but your just doing it because your stubborn and refuse to see anybody else's point of view. A part from you in this entire thread nobody has agreed that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, why? Because it simply isn't true.

There are PLENTY of facts that point to Super Buu being the strongest but you continue to grasp at concepts that aren't clearly covered in the story such as Genki and its role as part of peoples ki. You continue to argue that it makes up the majority of the ki in the body but there is little evidence to support what you are saying apart from Kibito Kaioshin's inability to use IT. Which could purely just be down to the technique relying more heavily on the Genki portion of ki then any of the other types. All you have to go on is that IT needs Genki, that doesn't mean that its the largest portion neither does it mean that its not the largest portion. We don't know. I used to think Kid Buu was probably stronger myself at one point. But I can see that the evidence points the other way. You keep saying that its Good Buu's Dai Kaioshin influence that was restraining Kid Buu and dropping his power. Yet you have no proof. All you've said is "It weakened Buff Buu when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin" But there is an important difference between these statements. And this is Buff Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. Kid Buu only had Good Buu sitting around in his body. That doesn't necessarily correlate to restraining Kid Buu's power. Your just looking for links that have no evidence for supporting.

There is more evidence to support Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu which actually has lines in the manga clearly indicating it. And to say that Goku wouldn't mention something like Kid Buu raising his powerlevel over 6 times its original amount is just plain stupid. Of course he would voice this, and Akira Toriyama would also make it clear to the viewer. In all of the panels we see some information pertaining the condition of Goku's SSJ3 transformation. Its to keep the reader informed. This is slightly going out of In-Universe stuff but in real life we wouldn't be receiving running commentary from the characters about what's going on. "Ah! I don't understand. My ki is going down!" Who says that unless they're asked? "Huh! What's happening to Buu? He can't be scared of Hercule?!" its all to inform us, the readers, of what's going on in the story where only art can go so far. So you can keep saying Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu all you like it will just be your opinion against everyone else on this thread. If I were you I'd just drop it and just consider it canon to your own DBZ universe whereas the rest of us will stick to what we feel is right.

[Nazi Cola]

I'd like to point out that the whole time they were inside Super Boo, Goku was moaning about how they were no match for him unfused. When they got outside and Kid Boo actually formed, Goku rejoiced and said they "did it." What did they do?

In context, it most likely means they weakened him enough to beat without Fusion or Potara merging.

And then the likely rebuttal would be that Goku later admitted he underestimated Boo, which I'd then respond with his exchange with Vegeta about being able to obliterate Boo after gathering his ki for a minute, which holds true as far as I know.

[hleV]

I see you decided to ignore the nuetraul Kaioshin influence point I brought up.

... What? Read again:

This evidence is pretty much negated by Dabura's statement which states that Kaioshin energy cant be used to revive Buu.

You translate "Kaioshin's energy can't be used to revive Boo" to "Kaioshins can't strengthen Boo". Good luck with such logic. Neither energy equals to power nor does this statement have much to do with Boo absorbing Kaioshins. This is not a statement in Pure Boo > Evil Boo theory's favor.

Neutral is only the energy of Kaioshins. Not related to strength, or even absorption, as the energy's only been proven (and even that's arguable) to be neutral when it comes to reviving Boo.

[dbzfan7]

He was focused on simply maintaining the transformation not gaining Ki. He was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 stopped working on him. Fighting in DBZ is also really fast paced so all of those pages could have happened while that page was going on. Genki is still obviously a large portion. When Kibito Kai says he is drained and cant use a Ki based technique I'm gonna assume that Genki is a large portion of Ki. Gotenks would have dragged Buu out. Again actually read the fight. Gotenks is equal if not superior.

To be honest, your just making up excuses for why your theories should be correct. Goku said he was close to full power but then his ki started dropping off again. That doesn't mean to say that he was having trouble maintaining the form. He only realises that when the form actually vanishes. And no, Goku was on at least every page actually reacting to what was happening around him. You're just grasping at straws really. As for Gotenks he was indeed giving Buu a good run for his money but that doesn't change the fact that Buu says that his only threat is Gohan. You can throw as many excuses my way as you want but your just doing it because your stubborn and refuse to see anybody else's point of view. A part from you in this entire thread nobody has agreed that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, why? Because it simply isn't true.

There are PLENTY of facts that point to Super Buu being the strongest but you continue to grasp at concepts that aren't clearly covered in the story such as Genki and its role as part of peoples ki. You continue to argue that it makes up the majority of the ki in the body but there is little evidence to support what you are saying apart from Kibito Kaioshin's inability to use IT. Which could purely just be down to the technique relying more heavily on the Genki portion of ki then any of the other types. All you have to go on is that IT needs Genki, that doesn't mean that its the largest portion neither does it mean that its not the largest portion. We don't know. I used to think Kid Buu was probably stronger myself at one point. But I can see that the evidence points the other way. You keep saying that its Good Buu's Dai Kaioshin influence that was restraining Kid Buu and dropping his power. Yet you have no proof. All you've said is "It weakened Buff Buu when he absorbed Dai Kaioshin" But there is an important difference between these statements. And this is Buff Buu absorbed Dai Kaioshin. Kid Buu only had Good Buu sitting around in his body. That doesn't necessarily correlate to restraining Kid Buu's power. Your just looking for links that have no evidence for supporting.

There is more evidence to support Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu which actually has lines in the manga clearly indicating it. And to say that Goku wouldn't mention something like Kid Buu raising his powerlevel over 6 times its original amount is just plain stupid. Of course he would voice this, and Akira Toriyama would also make it clear to the viewer. In all of the panels we see some information pertaining the condition of Goku's SSJ3 transformation. Its to keep the reader informed. This is slightly going out of In-Universe stuff but in real life we wouldn't be receiving running commentary from the characters about what's going on. "Ah! I don't understand. My ki is going down!" Who says that unless they're asked? "Huh! What's happening to Buu? He can't be scared of (the H-word)?!" its all to inform us, the readers, of what's going on in the story where only art can go so far. So you can keep saying Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu all you like it will just be your opinion against everyone else on this thread. If I were you I'd just drop it and just consider it canon to your own DBZ universe whereas the rest of us will stick to what we feel is right.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I wont be able to reply very often if at all right now so dont be suprised if it takes a while

[smiley]

I find it very difficult, if not impossible, to in any way explain away the following pieces of information in Evil Buu's favor:

- Daizenshuu 7 specifically states Dai Kaioshin weakened Buu. While it does not state that it was "only" the Dai Kaioshin who weakened him, nevertheless, there is no apparent reason to only mention Dai Kaioshin if both Kaioshins weakened him.

- DB Forever states that Buu's absorptions being undone weakened him, next to a picture of Vegeta tearing the good Buu out from inside of Supper Buu's stomach.

- Super Saiyan Gotenks could be sensed in the Kaioshin realm, confirming the fact that he is at least twice as powerful (according to official multipliers) than Super Saiyan Goku. Post-ROSAT Gotenks is even stronger. So, Gotenks is significantly more than twice as strong as Goku. How, in light of this, can Goku match a Buu even stronger than the Buu who is approximately on Gotenks' level?

[Hitiro]

I find it very difficult, if not impossible, to in any way explain away the following pieces of information in Evil Buu's favor:

- Daizenshuu 7 specifically states Dai Kaioshin weakened Buu. While it does not state that it was "only" the Dai Kaioshin who weakened him, nevertheless, there is no apparent reason to only mention Dai Kaioshin if both Kaioshins weakened him.

- DB Forever states that Buu's absorptions being undone weakened him, next to a picture of Vegeta tearing the good Buu out from inside of Supper Buu's stomach.

- Super Saiyan Gotenks could be sensed in the Kaioshin realm, confirming the fact that he is at least twice as powerful (according to official multipliers) than Super Saiyan Goku. Post-ROSAT Gotenks is even stronger. So, Gotenks is significantly more than twice as strong as Goku. How, in light of this, can Goku match a Buu even stronger than the Buu who is approximately on Gotenks' level?

He's trying to say, for some inexplicable reason, that Kid Buu was only stronger when he spat out Good Buu, when SSJ3 Goku was fighting him Good Buu, according to him, was restraining Kid Buu to the point that Goku could have handled him. After Kid Buu spat out Good Buu his powerlevel increased over 6 times its original level. So apparently Kid Buu gets insanely strong, much stronger than his Super Buu self, and none of the characters even mention it. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I find it very difficult, if not impossible, to in any way explain away the following pieces of information in Evil Buu's favor:

- Daizenshuu 7 specifically states Dai Kaioshin weakened Buu. While it does not state that it was "only" the Dai Kaioshin who weakened him, nevertheless, there is no apparent reason to only mention Dai Kaioshin if both Kaioshins weakened him.

- DB Forever states that Buu's absorptions being undone weakened him, next to a picture of Vegeta tearing the good Buu out from inside of Supper Buu's stomach.

- Super Saiyan Gotenks could be sensed in the Kaioshin realm, confirming the fact that he is at least twice as powerful (according to official multipliers) than Super Saiyan Goku. Post-ROSAT Gotenks is even stronger. So, Gotenks is significantly more than twice as strong as Goku. How, in light of this, can Goku match a Buu even stronger than the Buu who is approximately on Gotenks' level?

He's trying to say, for some inexplicable reason, that Kid Buu was only stronger when he spat out Good Buu, when SSJ3 Goku was fighting him Good Buu, according to him, was restraining Kid Buu to the point that Goku could have handled him. After Kid Buu spat out Good Buu his powerlevel increased over 6 times its original level. So apparently Kid Buu gets insanely strong, much stronger than his Super Buu self, and none of the characters even mention it. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Its not inexplicable at all. Daikaio has been known to decrease Buu's power in the past. Good Buu still has Daikaio's influence and is still inside Buu's body. Being directly connected doesnt matter at all since Good Buu proved he could influence Kid Buu from attacking Mister Satan while not connected. Furthermore Goku was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 was failing him IMO. Does it sound far fetched that Goku and Vegeta didnt respond to an increase? You bet I too find it odd but all the previous points still stand. Kaioshin influence is abnormal. I'm not so keen on the fact its negative at this point however its been noted that Kaioshin influence is abnormal based on Dabura's statement and the Potara's ineffectiveness inside Buu. Dabura has no reason to exercise caution with Kaioshins energy based on the fact that neither him nor Babidi know what Daikaio did to him. It would seem that Dabura knows that the energy of the Kai's incompatible since they are pure. If its not negative its certainly ineffective and with that said that would mean Southern Kaioshin Buu didnt raise or decrees his power it remained the same he just added the appearance and physique of Southern Kaioshin. If thats the case and he is indeed equal to South Kai Buu that would mean he is stronger than Super Buu initially since South Kai Buu is stated to be above Super Buu. Seriously give a logical counterargument against Dabura's statement and you will have won this.