Kid Buu

[Darkprince410]

I too believe that Kid Buu could be stronger than Super Buu.

It is outright stated:
Buff Buu > Super Buu

However it is never outright stated that the Ki or Power drops from Buff Buu to Kid Buu.
(Even if it did, it would likely take it back to Super Buu power level anyway)

Anyway the way I see it, Kid Buu cannot possibly be weaker than Super Buu, at lowest they would be equals.


Goku stated at 100% he can beat Kid Buu. This statement is Goku underestimating Kid Buu as he tried and failed to win as a SSJ3.


Genki Dama:
Takes energy from people and celestial bodies.
Kaioshin Realm has several Stars, those would be included into the Genki Dama's power.
Along with Z-fighters, Nameks, Otherworld etc contributing power.


I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

Kid Buu at MAXIMUM = Buff Buu
Kid Buu at MINIMUM = Super Buu

As mentioned earlier, Goku specifically mentions to Vegeta that the two of them fighting together would still lose against Evil Buu, and suggested the fusion dance as their only current method to be able to defeat him. Goku even berates Vegeta a number of times for destroying the Potara after they had forced Evil Buu to revert to his normal form, and since it was clear to them that the Potaras don't work within Buu, Goku was indicating that even when they leave Buu's body, they'll still be too weak to defeat him on their own.

Then it is established as "Buff" Buu is reverting to Pure Buu that "Buff" Buu is stronger than Evil Buu, given the comment, “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”.

Now, while Goku was unable to defeat Pure Buu in his first fight with him, the two fought evenly (Buu was only established to be playing around when he refrained from regenerating immediately after Goku's Kamehameha), Goku was still confident in the ability to defeat Pure Buu, and couldn't just on the standpoint that his body couldn't "hold a charge" anymore, so to speak, from the strain that Super Saiya-jin 3 put on it. It wasn't that he wasn't strong enough, it's just that his initial approach (a more physical one) didn't work, and he couldn't power back up to full to try again.

As for the Genki Dama, unless I'm mistaken (which I might, since it might have been mentioned in the Daiz or another guide book), the only confirmed sources of genki for the one that destroyed Pure Buu was everyone on Earth, everyone on New Namek, and those in the afterlife. Nothing in regard to celestial bodies.

In short, nothing is said or done that contradicts that Goku is unable to defeat Evil Buu without fusion, but is able to defeat Pure Buu without fusion, thus Evil Buu is stronger.

[smiley]

Its here:
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... attle#link
Its battle 183

There is nothing there about those who are brought to life not being at their full power. Although the fact that it says that Vegeta had not "recovered fully" yet indicates that he was in the process of recovering, which may indicate that switching from "dead" to "alive" begins a ki restoring process, which may indicate that they are not brought back to full power. Any other opinions?

[smiley]

It seems it's definitely the case that Vegeta's wounds healed after he was revived, and presumably, this brought back a portion of his ki, so that can possibly account for that statement that his ki had not been "fully recovered".

Against the idea people aren't brought back to full power, when Rou Kaioshin gives Goku his life, he immediately sticks his fingers to his forehead expecting to go and fight Buu. Had his ki not been fully recovered, it is unlikely he would have left the Kaioshin realm until it went back to normal. Especially if it was, as in Vegeta's case, so low he could not even transform into a Super Saiyan. After he is given the Potara earrings, he asks Kaioshin if he should transform into Super Saiyan before fusing, indicating that he is capable of such a transformation (Vegeta was not) and only several minutes later, he goes Super Saiyan 3.

Moreover, when Vegeta first suggested the Genki dama, Goku neglected the idea because he thought it would not work even if they "took a little energy" from all Earthlings. That there would only be a little energy to be taken would remain true were it to be assumed that people are only revived with a portion of their power. And so Goku should still remain unconfident about the Genki dama's efficiency, but he does not.

In favor of the idea, it would perhaps explain why Goten and Trunks did not transform into Super Saiyans to give more ki to the genki dama, as well as why they didn't fuse. I'm also not entirely sure if it's necessarily the case that one's wounds being healed would necessarily increase their ki.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Its here:
http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.p ... attle#link
Its battle 183

There is nothing there about those who are brought to life not being at their full power. Although the fact that it says that Vegeta had not "recovered fully" yet indicates that he was in the process of recovering, which may indicate that switching from "dead" to "alive" begins a ki restoring process, which may indicate that they are not brought back to full power. Any other opinions?

Even though his ki wasn't fully recovered. It says wasn't not had not. Furthermore what makes this any different for characters like Gohan? His Ki wasnt at full when he fueled the Genki Dama either.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I too believe that Kid Buu could be stronger than Super Buu.

It is outright stated:
Buff Buu > Super Buu

However it is never outright stated that the Ki or Power drops from Buff Buu to Kid Buu.
(Even if it did, it would likely take it back to Super Buu power level anyway)

Anyway the way I see it, Kid Buu cannot possibly be weaker than Super Buu, at lowest they would be equals.


Goku stated at 100% he can beat Kid Buu. This statement is Goku underestimating Kid Buu as he tried and failed to win as a SSJ3.


Genki Dama:
Takes energy from people and celestial bodies.
Kaioshin Realm has several Stars, those would be included into the Genki Dama's power.
Along with Z-fighters, Nameks, Otherworld etc contributing power.


I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

Kid Buu at MAXIMUM = Buff Buu
Kid Buu at MINIMUM = Super Buu

As mentioned earlier, Goku specifically mentions to Vegeta that the two of them fighting together would still lose against Evil Buu, and suggested the fusion dance as their only current method to be able to defeat him. Goku even berates Vegeta a number of times for destroying the Potara after they had forced Evil Buu to revert to his normal form, and since it was clear to them that the Potaras don't work within Buu, Goku was indicating that even when they leave Buu's body, they'll still be too weak to defeat him on their own.

Then it is established as "Buff" Buu is reverting to Pure Buu that "Buff" Buu is stronger than Evil Buu, given the comment, “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”.

Now, while Goku was unable to defeat Pure Buu in his first fight with him, the two fought evenly (Buu was only established to be playing around when he refrained from regenerating immediately after Goku's Kamehameha), Goku was still confident in the ability to defeat Pure Buu, and couldn't just on the standpoint that his body couldn't "hold a charge" anymore, so to speak, from the strain that Super Saiya-jin 3 put on it. It wasn't that he wasn't strong enough, it's just that his initial approach (a more physical one) didn't work, and he couldn't power back up to full to try again.

As for the Genki Dama, unless I'm mistaken (which I might, since it might have been mentioned in the Daiz or another guide book), the only confirmed sources of genki for the one that destroyed Pure Buu was everyone on Earth, everyone on New Namek, and those in the afterlife. Nothing in regard to celestial bodies.

In short, nothing is said or done that contradicts that Goku is unable to defeat Evil Buu without fusion, but is able to defeat Pure Buu without fusion, thus Evil Buu is stronger.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”



This explains why Goku was afraid to fight him. Once Super boo explains the situation, Goku is then confident to find an exit to beat the normal sized Super boo.

There is no getting around this quote. It's flat out stated that Goku is generally stronger than Super boo.

Now seeing as how Kid boo is stronger than Super boo and Goku was willing to go up against him, then that concludes this argument. But of course people will fight and twist up quotes.

As for Gohan vs. Kid boo, let's clear up these theoretical assumptions :

Genki-Dama [#BO3#GEN]
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it's no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings..."
Vegeta: "I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then...! It won't be just little bit. We'll gather ki from them right up to their limits!"

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P1.1
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey, even this probably isn't enough to wipe out Boo! What are they doing?! Hardly anyone but our friends is sending us ki!"




There you have it folks. Gohan gave it up to his limit in ki. Therefore we can safely conclude that Kid boo > Gohan.

If you still aren't satisfied with this blatant statement, then get a load of this :

Goku : It's alright Vegeta, if it hadn't been for these two, us and everyone else would have been done in.

Another quote indicating that Gohan can't win.

[Bussani]

But of course people will fight and twist up quotes.

You say that as if you're not doing exactly the same thing. It's okay for people to interpret things their own ways, just as you are.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

If you look at Goku's face in the panel when he says they need to defeat Boo and find an exit, he doesn't appear to be very confident. Sounds like he's just assessing the situation for what it is. Where's it implied Goku's generally stronger than Super Boo, tho?

[Fox666]

This explains why Goku was afraid to fight him. Once Super boo explains the situation, Goku is then confident to find an exit to beat the normal sized Super boo.

There is no getting around this quote. It's flat out stated that Goku is generally stronger than Super boo.

I don't understand where you are getting this from. All Goku said was that he has no choice but to defeat Evil Boo.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”



This explains why Goku was afraid to fight him. Once Super boo explains the situation, Goku is then confident to find an exit to beat the normal sized Super boo.

There is no getting around this quote. It's flat out stated that Goku is generally stronger than Super boo.

Now seeing as how Kid boo is stronger than Super boo and Goku was willing to go up against him, then that concludes this argument. But of course people will fight and twist up quotes.

As for Gohan vs. Kid boo, let's clear up these theoretical assumptions :

Genki-Dama [#BO3#GEN]
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it's no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings..."
Vegeta: "I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then...! It won't be just little bit. We'll gather ki from them right up to their limits!"

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P1.1
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey, even this probably isn't enough to wipe out Boo! What are they doing?! Hardly anyone but our friends is sending us ki!"




There you have it folks. Gohan gave it up to his limit in ki. Therefore we can safely conclude that Kid boo > Gohan.

If you still aren't satisfied with this blatant statement, then get a load of this :

Goku : It's alright Vegeta, if it hadn't been for these two, us and everyone else would have been done in.

Another quote indicating that Gohan can't win.

When Gohan was revived his Ki wasnt full just like Vegeta. I would also like to point out that Gohan may have not been mystic. I'm aware that Mystic isnt a form however if you look at Gohans hair and face they do not match the intensity in his face and hair when he was fighting Super Buu. Gohan was probably lacking vitality when he was revived. I would also like to point out that Goku and Buu were fighting evenly. Kid Buu may ave been toying with him after while but if you notice Buu is trying he even attempts to turn Goku into chocolate at the beginning. Chocolate is a last resort kind of move =/. Buu only starts toying with Goku after he realizes that SSJ3 eats a ton of energy. Goku says he can beat Buu and I see no reason to not believe this. For you to imply Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan you are also implying that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan which cant work because Goku said he could not beat Super Buu. Also lets say Kid Buu was holding back. How would Goku tell he needs a certain amount of Genki if he doesnt know how powerful Buu really is if he was holding back? I would also imagine that Goku and Vegeta would be in shock if Buu's power just suddenly jumped to above Mystic Gohan =/. Also that quote does not prove anything. Gohan's Ki wasnt full and Goku knew that so naturally that wouldnt imply that Gohan is weaker than Buu at full power.

[Nazi Cola]

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”



This explains why Goku was afraid to fight him. Once Super boo explains the situation, Goku is then confident to find an exit to beat the normal sized Super boo.

Boo's response contradicts any claim you're making. He said the way they are now, i.e. without being merged, they can't win, as the whole context inside of Boo was not being merged...

There is no getting around this quote. It's flat out stated that Goku is generally stronger than Super boo.

I missed it.

As for Gohan vs. Kid boo, let's clear up these theoretical assumptions :

Genki-Dama [#BO3#GEN]
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it's no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings..."
Vegeta: "I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then...! It won't be just little bit. We'll gather ki from them right up to their limits!"

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P1.1
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey, even this probably isn't enough to wipe out Boo! What are they doing?! Hardly anyone but our friends is sending us ki!"




There you have it folks. Gohan gave it up to his limit in ki. Therefore we can safely conclude that Kid boo > Gohan.

Sure, you can conclude that...if you completely ignore AT's word that genki is merely a part of ki, and the Genki-Dama takes genki hence the name.

If you still aren't satisfied with this blatant statement, then get a load of this :

Goku : It's alright Vegeta, if it hadn't been for these two, us and everyone else would have been done in.

Another quote indicating that Gohan can't win.

Considering Gohan was dead, yeah, Goku is right.

[hleV]

When Gohan was revived his Ki wasnt full just like Vegeta.

How do you know?

I would also like to point out that Gohan may have not been mystic. I'm aware that Mystic isnt a form however if you look at Gohans hair and face they do not match the intensity in his face and hair when he was fighting Super Buu.

When Gohan became "Mystic", he didn't have those traits neither. It only became apparent when he started flying towards Boo. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Gohan has "normal" and "powered-up" "Mystic" states.

[TheMightyOzaru]

When Gohan was revived his Ki wasnt full just like Vegeta.

How do you know?

Why would Gohan be any different than Vegeta? Its relatively apparent that when you are revived your Ki level isnt at full.

I would also like to point out that Gohan may have not been mystic. I'm aware that Mystic isnt a form however if you look at Gohans hair and face they do not match the intensity in his face and hair when he was fighting Super Buu.

When Gohan became "Mystic", he didn't have those traits neither. It only became apparent when he started flying towards Boo. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Gohan has "normal" and "powered-up" "Mystic" states.

I just looked back at the manga and yeah you are right.

[hleV]

Why would Gohan be any different than Vegeta? Its relatively apparent that when you are revived your Ki level isnt at full.

Oh, I thought you tried to prove something about Vegeta by comparing him to Gohan. Nevermind then. (I didn't read the whole thing because your text is unreadable. Please separate different points with linebreaks next time.)

[TheMightyOzaru]

Why would Gohan be any different than Vegeta? Its relatively apparent that when you are revived your Ki level isnt at full.

Oh, I thought you tried to prove something about Vegeta by comparing him to Gohan. Nevermind then. (I didn't read the whole thing because your text is unreadable. Please separate different points with linebreaks next time.)

KK.

[Darkprince410]

I too believe that Kid Buu could be stronger than Super Buu.

It is outright stated:
Buff Buu > Super Buu

However it is never outright stated that the Ki or Power drops from Buff Buu to Kid Buu.
(Even if it did, it would likely take it back to Super Buu power level anyway)

Anyway the way I see it, Kid Buu cannot possibly be weaker than Super Buu, at lowest they would be equals.


Goku stated at 100% he can beat Kid Buu. This statement is Goku underestimating Kid Buu as he tried and failed to win as a SSJ3.


Genki Dama:
Takes energy from people and celestial bodies.
Kaioshin Realm has several Stars, those would be included into the Genki Dama's power.
Along with Z-fighters, Nameks, Otherworld etc contributing power.


I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

Kid Buu at MAXIMUM = Buff Buu
Kid Buu at MINIMUM = Super Buu

As mentioned earlier, Goku specifically mentions to Vegeta that the two of them fighting together would still lose against Evil Buu, and suggested the fusion dance as their only current method to be able to defeat him. Goku even berates Vegeta a number of times for destroying the Potara after they had forced Evil Buu to revert to his normal form, and since it was clear to them that the Potaras don't work within Buu, Goku was indicating that even when they leave Buu's body, they'll still be too weak to defeat him on their own.

Then it is established as "Buff" Buu is reverting to Pure Buu that "Buff" Buu is stronger than Evil Buu, given the comment, “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”.

Now, while Goku was unable to defeat Pure Buu in his first fight with him, the two fought evenly (Buu was only established to be playing around when he refrained from regenerating immediately after Goku's Kamehameha), Goku was still confident in the ability to defeat Pure Buu, and couldn't just on the standpoint that his body couldn't "hold a charge" anymore, so to speak, from the strain that Super Saiya-jin 3 put on it. It wasn't that he wasn't strong enough, it's just that his initial approach (a more physical one) didn't work, and he couldn't power back up to full to try again.

As for the Genki Dama, unless I'm mistaken (which I might, since it might have been mentioned in the Daiz or another guide book), the only confirmed sources of genki for the one that destroyed Pure Buu was everyone on Earth, everyone on New Namek, and those in the afterlife. Nothing in regard to celestial bodies.

In short, nothing is said or done that contradicts that Goku is unable to defeat Evil Buu without fusion, but is able to defeat Pure Buu without fusion, thus Evil Buu is stronger.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P4.2-4, P6.3-6
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are attacked by evil Boo
Goku: “Alrii—iight! Come at me if you’re gonna. I’ll open up a huge hole inside your body! *Boo smiles* Wh-what are you smiling about?...Do you think I can’t open one?”
Boo: “It’s no use.”
Goku: “Don’t underestimate me.”
*Goku blasts, not much happens*
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “…It di-didn’t have any effect…”
Boo: “It stung a little here *points at head*, that’s all. You guys are now far, far smaller than fleas.”
Goku: “…So we’ve got no choice but to defeat you and then search for an exit somewhere.”
Boo: “No, you can’t defeat me. Not the way you guys are now…You’re gonna die, not me…”



This explains why Goku was afraid to fight him. Once Super boo explains the situation, Goku is then confident to find an exit to beat the normal sized Super boo.

There is no getting around this quote. It's flat out stated that Goku is generally stronger than Super boo.

Now seeing as how Kid boo is stronger than Super boo and Goku was willing to go up against him, then that concludes this argument. But of course people will fight and twist up quotes.

As for Gohan vs. Kid boo, let's clear up these theoretical assumptions :

Genki-Dama [#BO3#GEN]
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it's no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings..."
Vegeta: "I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then...! It won't be just little bit. We'll gather ki from them right up to their limits!"

Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P1.1
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: "Hey, even this probably isn't enough to wipe out Boo! What are they doing?! Hardly anyone but our friends is sending us ki!"




There you have it folks. Gohan gave it up to his limit in ki. Therefore we can safely conclude that Kid boo > Gohan.

If you still aren't satisfied with this blatant statement, then get a load of this :

Goku : It's alright Vegeta, if it hadn't been for these two, us and everyone else would have been done in.

Another quote indicating that Gohan can't win.

Think about the context of the first series of quotes. When Goku told Vegeta earlier on that the two of them stood no chance against Buu, it was specifically between the two of them. When Goku is boasting to Evil Buu later to not underestimate him, the only thing that's changed is that a miniature Buu is in the picture to converse with them, which makes it seem pretty obvious that Goku was trying to bluff Buu about how strong he was. Why would he tell Vegeta one thing (blatantly saying that Buu would kill them if they left his body), then later told Buu that he was going to tear a hole through him like nothing? He has no reason to lie to Vegeta about their odds (especially given Vegeta's fervent refusal to fuse with him again), but has every reason to lie to Buu, since successfully bluffing his way out of that fight would potentially give them a chance to escape and come up with a successful means to beat him.

As for the second quote, it's been established that ki in the Dragonball universe is comprised of three different energies, one of which is Genki. So just because Gohan donated doesn't mean that he donated an amount equal to his full strength. It's the same concept as why Goten and Trunks didn't fuse into Gotenks to donate (or even transform into Super Saiya-jins for that matter).

Then take into account that both times Goku has used the Genki Dama in the past (in the canon storyline that is), it's failed to kill its target, even though both times he felt he had amassed enough ki to accomplish the task. Don't you think that, given this situation, he'd make overly sure that there was no way it fell short damage wise? He even berated Vegeta a bit for suggesting they use the Genki Dama instead of bringing Gohan and the boys up there to fight Buu instead, so in Goku's mind, Gohan and the boys were still more than enough to defeat Buu.

Besides, as mentioned above, it's possible that Gohan hadn't been revived with his ki levels fully restored, since Vegeta, in a similar state, wasn't revived with his ki fully restored.

[smiley]

I don't understand where you are getting this from. All Goku said was that he has no choice but to defeat Evil Boo.

You can't choose something which you are not capable of. Goku might have as well said "We have no choice but to wish you out of existence". If it's not an available option, you can't choose it.

And how about Goku's threat that he'll blow a hole in Buu's body? Buu could simply regenerate like he always does. I think he means "We'll blow a hole in your body and get out, thus regaining our size and becoming capable of defeating you".

[Fox666]

What are you talking about? They have no choice, that's all there is to it. For example, Vegeta and the others also said they had no choice but fight against the Ginyu Tokusentai.

Besides I don't really get where you are getting at. Goku is not even in a fair position, he is a minuscule weakened version of himself. He wouldn't be able to defeat Boo even if he was much stronger than him in a normal situation. So this is irrelevant in the regards of Evil Boo being stronger than Goku or not.

[smiley]

What are you talking about? They have no choice, that's all there is to it. For example, Vegeta and the others also said they had no choice but fight against the Ginyu Tokusentai.

Fight != defeat.

If you were correct, he could've said: "We have no choice but to fight you" or "We have no choice but to try to defeat you".

Instead, he says "We have no choice but to defeat you". Being capable of carrying out an action is a prerequisite for choosing it. It's no more sensible for him to say that he has no choice but to defeat Buu if he's incapable of doing so than it is that he has no choice but to magically wish him out of existence. He is equally capable of both actions.

Besides I don't really get where you are getting at. Goku is not even in a fair position, he is a minuscule weakened version of himself. He wouldn't be able to defeat Boo even if he was much stronger than him in a normal situation.

First, I'm not arguing that Goku is stronger than Super Buu; I acknowledge that you can still argue that he was bluffing. However, in response to this, I would say - Buu is small, too.

Also, read the paragraph I added in my last post.

[Darkprince410]

And how about Goku's threat that he'll blow a hole in Buu's body? Buu could simply regenerate like he always does. I think he means "We'll blow a hole in your body and get out, thus regaining our size and becoming capable of defeating you".

Which is countered by the fact that he told Vegeta that the two of them would lose even if they left his body. Most anything he says while confronting Buu can be viewed as trying to bluff his way out of a direct confrontation with him.

[dprez]

Kid Boo put up a fight with Ssj3 Goku. They seamed equal until Goku naturally got tired. Super Boo, on the other hand, required someone at Ultimate Gohan's level to beat down. Even a Ssj3 Gotenks proved to be at least his equal.

Now, a hypothetical Ssj Gotenks was said to be able to defeat Fat Boo, who(Fat Boo) was shown to be just below Ssj3 Goku. This same Gotenks, within 2 weeks in the RoSaT and with the Ssj3 transformation, managed to nearly annihilate Super Boo.

Goku stated that he and Vegeta could not defeat this very same "Super Boo" together, with there combined Ssj3 and Ssj2 powers. Obviously, as previously shown, it takes ridiculously enormous power like perfect Gohan and Ssj3 Gotenks to take on this form of Boo.

Goku tells us that if he, Gohan and Vegeta worked together, they would be able to defeat the initial Majin Boo, or "Fat Boo". This seams very possible based on how Ssj2 Vegeta and Ssj3 Goku fared against him.

Kid Boo is showed to be a great match for Ssj3 Goku, in fact too much due to his regeneration and endless energy. Even Vegeta knew Goku's ki should be high enough to wipe out Boo completely, based on the ki he felt from the other world when a "dead" Goku went Ssj3 for the first time.

Everything tells me that a 100% Ssj3 Goku is actually more powerful than the original "Kid" Boo, and the tamed "Fat" Boo. Super Boo, on the other hand, is shown to be too much for Goku to handle. This is how I see it.