What do you guys think of SSJ4?

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:21 pm

I think the whole tail thing needs another look at since Toriyama said tails aren't needed anymore after a Saiyan becomes strong enough without it. I think maybe the tail returns, but in the colour of the SSJ4 form, and is as strong as the rest of a Saiyans body. The tail would return when a Saiyan has control over all SSJ forms and could only return when a Saiyans body is ready to make the transformation into the Ultimate Form. My idea ain't great but I like it more then GT's.

Rostir · Post by **Rostir** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:42 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Yeah do you guys like it or hate it? I personally am somewhere in the middle. It was a cool idea combing SSJ and Oozaru but I felt they dropped the ball with the whole red(pink) fur and black hair thing.

Should have been the original SSJ design.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:13 am

I think it's alright. I like it when I first saw it as a kid before GT was released in the US, but now I think it's meh. SSj3 will always be my favorite SSj form.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:36 pm

I like it. I view it as a forced evolution of the Saiyan's base form, in a way.

Only thing I didn't like about it was that it didn't permanently break the wish that turned Goku into a kid.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:14 pm

Zephyr wrote:Only thing I didn't like about it was that it didn't permanently break the wish that turned Goku into a kid.

It kind of makes more sense that way if you consider the form as just a temporary physical transformation like Oozaru, given that's where the SSj4 stems from in the first place.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:26 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Zephyr wrote:Only thing I didn't like about it was that it didn't permanently break the wish that turned Goku into a kid.
It kind of makes more sense that way if you consider the form as just a temporary physical transformation like Oozaru, given that's where the SSj4 stems from in the first place.

True, though I still agree with him kinda. It just seems weird for Goku to revert to an adult body for the form, but not for the other forms.

My own personal pet theory on this is that it's because he hadn't reached the form prior to being wished young again. If he hadn't reached Super Saiyan 3 until after the wish either, then he'd revert to an adult form there; or vice versa, if he'd already reached SS4 before the wish, we'd have a little kid version of the form running around.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:38 pm

It's because it's not even close to being the same as the original Super Saiyan forms, they only share a name out of convenience. It's not that Goku reverts back to his adult body with SS4 features, the transformation is giving him a new one, just like how Oozaru morphs the body. And its not just Goku either. Even for Vegeta, he gets an entirely "new" body when he transforms. The scene where he drops out of SS4 in the final fight has him getting not only smaller muscles, but a fairly noticeable drop in height and a change in attire as well:

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:59 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:It's not that Goku reverts back to his adult body with SS4 features, the transformation is giving him a new one, just like how Oozaru morphs the body.

Despite how inconsistent Toriyama was with the size of an Oozaru, I don't think a child would be of the same size as an adult when transformed.

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:10 pm

Fox666 wrote:Despite how inconsistent Toriyama was with the size of an Oozaru, I don't think a child would be of the same size as an adult when transformed.

Your opinion. Unless we get a SS4 transformation for a character that is truly a child, there is no evidence for that side of the argument. All we can say is that an adult and an adult-turned-child both end up with adult sized bodies that were not the same size as their originals, so it's fairly possible that any Saiyan who reaches the form would end up with an adult frame regardless of their original age.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:44 pm

I think it's just safest to assume that there's a "standard" size for a Super Saiyan 4.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:17 am

Kaboom wrote:I think it's just safest to assume that there's a "standard" size for a Super Saiyan 4.

Then why are the two we see different sizes?

Cipher · Post by **Cipher** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:35 am

I think it's a very nice man and it can chill at my house any time.

EDIT: Plus one for the theory of it just defaulting to an adult-sized body, please. I never imagined it was somehow temporarily breaking the red Shen-Long's powers or whatever in Goku's case. It's a cross between their giant monkey and humanoid forms, so it makes sense that it may change the physical size and other characteristics of its user.

EDIT EDIT: And, yes, the magically appearing clothes are stupid, but .... shhhhhh. We don't talk about that.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:37 am

I think Super Saiyan 4 gives Goku an adult body because it's like: "A child body? Hell no. I'm the strongest Saiyan--I have to be in my prime!"

I like to imagine in my head that if an old man Goku transformed into Super Saiyan 4, he'd get younger.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:30 am

Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:I think it's just safest to assume that there's a "standard" size for a Super Saiyan 4.
Then why are the two we see different sizes?

Good point. And would Nappa actually get smaller when transformed?

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:29 pm

Fox666 wrote:
Saiga wrote:
Kaboom wrote:I think it's just safest to assume that there's a "standard" size for a Super Saiyan 4.
Then why are the two we see different sizes?
Good point. And would Nappa actually get smaller when transformed?

I believe that Kaboom means that there is a standard size for each Saiyan, not one size for every Saiyan. So, if Goku or Vegeta transform into SS4 while they are 10 years old, or 90 years old, they would still transform into their young (and maybe taller) bodies.

Dr. Machismo · Post by **Dr. Machismo** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:46 pm

It was unnecessary. 3 Super Saiyan forms is enough.

GT was sucking pretty bad though by the time SS2 made its debut, so I can see why they came up with it. Probably to get more ratings.

SSJ6Goku · Post by **SSJ6Goku** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:13 pm

I think Super Saiyan 4 is ok. I wish they made the hair, fur, and tail yellow, I think it would have given more meaning to the word "Super". Goku and Vegeta look similar to their normal forms in SS4 with the black hair.

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:44 pm

Dr. Machismo wrote: GT was sucking pretty bad though by the time SS2 made its debut, so I can see why they came up with it. Probably to get more ratings.

Wait, what? Sorry, maybe it's the way you wrote it, but I don't understand what you are saying here. GT was sucking pretty bad by the time SSJ2 made its debut? SSJ2 was around long before GT was concepted.

Sebastian · Post by **Sebastian** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:47 pm

I like it enough, it was a nice change of pace from the previous 3 transformations.

Super Gazellian · Post by **Super Gazellian** » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:56 pm

I like the look of SSJ4, but it feels wrong to call it "Super Saiyan".
I've been thinking about it recently and came to this possible theory. It's complete bullshit but it could sorta work for head cannon so hear me out.

We've already stated how SSJ4 could be like reverting to a Saiyans natural state, and this was achieved through an Oozaru form right? (Sorry if I'm wrong here my GT knowledge is very rusty.) So what if they never did transform into that 'Natural Saiyan form'? what if they continued to get stronger without it and reached higher levels of SSJ visually consistent with the forms we've already seen? They probably wouldn't be as strong as 'Natural Saiyan' but they'd certainly be stronger than SSJ3. And in canon the reason we never see these forms is because 'NSJ' (

) is much stronger, if they can already reach that, using/training to attain the other forms would be counter-productive.

Everything about SSJ4 just seems way too different for me to fully see it as a Super Saiyan form, and whilst completely made up based on other peoples theories, I think this theory could hold up. Until I get called out on like ten different things.

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