Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[daveslaine2770]

Stop defending every crap Toei puts out these days.

Akira doesn't do this for money anymore, and he most likely never did it for money.

A millionaire like him probably isn't interested for more money.

Yes it is sold out, because it just generic action now, generic storyline, with basically no good depth, no meaning, no theme, nothing that changes you or moves you after you watch the film, its just crap released and a quick buck made, and I'm sure this movie will be the same thing.

Compare the new buffoonish movies, even the Bardock Special that recently came out, to Movies 1-9, when they were still good, especially Movies, 1-5, and you'll soon realize how bad DBZ has gotten in terms of quality.

Now its sold out, yes, its sold out, the music sucks too now, no longer is the music something thought out and fitted perfectly for the scene, its just retarded synth and its annoying.

And yes, these days, if something with a damn pyramid or egyptian pharaoh comes out, rest assured its Illuminati related. Since thats what seems to be the theme everywhere nowadays in pop culture; movies, music videos, books, magazines, etc.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Just to be clear, we will NEVER see the quality of animation as the one JulieYBM posted again. That's what happened when you use the computer to do the animation; the quality drops when using it. Also Yamamuro has changed quite a bit. He's still a good animator, just not as awesome as he was back then.

How much quality Battle of Gods has in term of animation is yet to be seen. Hopefully it's up there with DBGT.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

daveslaine2770, I seriously can't tell if you are trolling right now or we just haven't been watching/reading the same series. And yes, most manga artists do it for the money. It's their jobs and it usually doesn't pay all that much. So again, the whole sold out thing, it's meaningless. All you know about Toriyama and the Dragonball universe is what they sell you. This series and movies are aimed at 10-17 year old boys(give or take) and is only meant to be for fun.

And yes, these days, if something with a damn pyramid or egyptian pharaoh comes out, rest assured its Illuminati related. Since thats what seems to be the theme everywhere nowadays in pop culture; movies, music videos, books, magazines, etc.

what is this 2003? That phase is practically 10 years old...

[Chuquita]

I'm all for not taking things too seriously. And bringing up Buu does put Virus' character design into better perspective (I'm not wild about Virus' design either, but his powers are interesting to me); DB did start off as a gag manga after all, and I do find it more engaging when the humor aspect of it's in play. I mean, the redone "Plan to Eradicate" special played it straight serious and I found that so boring. By contrast I had a lot of fun watching the 08 special and that was full of humor.

I felt the same about Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, But the strange thing is, I didn't feel the same about the whole Cell saga, which also played it pretty straight. Were your feelings about Cell Saga the same as your opinion of Ptetss? I'm trying to think as to how that saga played it straight and was successful (in my opinion) and not Ptetss.

I'm with you on that; I did like the Cell arc even though that was played straight. As for why I liked that and didn't like the redone "Plan to"....maybe it was content-related? There's a lot of different stuff happening throughout the Cell arc, but not all that much happens in "Plan to". I do like time travel, and Future Trunks, and how creepy first-form Cell was. I even liked the drama that came out of Goku falling ill and then how he reunited with everyone once he was healthy and healed again.

So, maybe it was the type of serious content, and the variety of content that went to why I like Cell, but not "Plan to Eradicate".



As for daveslaine2770, I think my opinions and what I like about Dragon Ball in general are so completely different from what I'm gathering you like about Dragon Ball that we probably can't find common ground about this aside from the fact that we both like the series.

[JulieYBM]

Damn, where did Kanzenshuu put that interview where Toriyama said he started doing comics for the money?

Just to be clear, we will NEVER see the quality of animation as the one JulieYBM posted again. That's what happened when you use the computer to do the animation; the quality drops when using it. Also Yamamuro has changed quite a bit. He's still a good animator, just not as awesome as he was back then.

How much quality Battle of Gods has in term of animation is yet to be seen. Hopefully it's up there with DBGT.

No, it's possible. Toei just doesn't do good work anymore. Other studios are highering the good talent that are pushing the limits of the animation industry, but Toei's too thinly spread. Even their best animators don't get a chance to create a really solid cut in their weekly series' anymore.

[Chuquita]

I know I've seen that interview somewhere. It mentions he needed money for cigarettes or something like that.

The quality drops are noticeable with One Piece's TV show. The main reason I think Toei's Precure series' generally look as good as they do is because that series relies heavily on recycled footage for many action scenes, so they can spend a bit more on the rest of the episode.

[daveslaine2770]

I like the older animation and music and the way the story and episode/movie progressed, obviously because it was better.

New movies sucked..

Even the bardock special could have been better, but females arent best at creating content that are for males.

What can I say. You forum dwellers are far too fanatic. I love DBZ more than all of you combined, but I know when to say, "this sucks", but you guys bend over and take it regardless just because of the name DBZ

[JulieYBM]

I know I've seen that interview somewhere. It mentions he needed money for cigarettes or something like that.

The quality drops are noticeable with One Piece's TV show. The main reason I think Toei's Precure series' generally look as good as they do is because that series relies heavily on recycled footage for many action scenes, so they can spend a bit more on the rest of the episode.

PreCure is more of a merchandise-driven show, to say nothing of the Otaku crowd. One Piece is going to sell no matter what, so there probably isn't a hurry to give it a lot of good animation. Then again, Toei is incredibly taxed these days so I suppose comparing to Dragon Ball's heyday won't get us very far.

[daveslaine2770]

Like if the new bardock special was made in 1990, it would have been ten times better than what it was a year back.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Akira doesn't do this for money anymore, and he most likely never did it for money.

You couldn't be more wrong.

I can't remember the exact quote, but in an interview somewhere Toriyama flat-out admits that he just wanted the money (if someone can pull that up for me, that'd be great), and that's why we love him; the man has no shame.

You think you know Toriyama?

YOU DON'T KNOW TORIYAMA!

Step into the AT! (AT! AT!)

Step into the AT! A-KI-RA TORIYAMA!

....Erm, sorry.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I like the older animation and music and the way the story and episode/movie progressed, obviously because it was better.

New movies sucked..

Even the bardock special could have been better, but females arent best at creating content that are for males.

What can I say. You forum dwellers are far too fanatic. I love DBZ more than all of you combined, but I know when to say, "this sucks", but you guys bend over and take it regardless just because of the name DBZ

Don't shove your opinion on us. What you like and what we like are different, and that is fine. You like older animation? We feel the same. Some of us have different taste, and we don't criticize them for it. We don't complain too much about how DBZ is different. We do complain, but not on to the extent as you... On top off it, you made some sextist comment... Man, what's up with you?

Stop forcing your opinion on us and using hateful words just because you think DBZ has changed. It's not necessary, and it turns us off big time.

[Chuquita]

I know I've seen that interview somewhere. It mentions he needed money for cigarettes or something like that.

The quality drops are noticeable with One Piece's TV show. The main reason I think Toei's Precure series' generally look as good as they do is because that series relies heavily on recycled footage for many action scenes, so they can spend a bit more on the rest of the episode.

PreCure is more of a merchandise-driven show, to say nothing of the Otaku crowd. One Piece is going to sell no matter what, so there probably isn't a hurry to give it a lot of good animation. Then again, Toei is incredibly taxed these days so I suppose comparing to Dragon Ball's heyday won't get us very far.

This is true. The series and the eras are completely different animals; I just don't have much else to compare it to that's also from Toei.

While it isn't a direct link to the source, this old thread mentions the "Toriyama doing it for money" thing as coming from a translation of an interview in Viz's Shounen Jump #3 http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=7918 .

[daveslaine2770]

What are you people, women? Turns us off big time. What the hell is that?

Regardless, like all of you, I will be the first to watch when it comes out.

Of course I'll like it, love it. But not as much as what the older movies brought out, a DBZ-esque feeling

[Makaioshin]

Stop defending every crap Toei puts out these days.

No one is defending Episode of Bardock or Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans. Most people have been cautiously optimistic about this movie and things have been looking good so far. Unlike the other material we have gotten this doesn't seem to be recycling the same story and character designs over again. It is something new for once.

I was typing this before those other replies. Oh.

[Gaffer Tape]

You forum dwellers are far too fanatic. I love DBZ more than all of you combined

Somehow, I feel the irony of you actually putting those two sentences back to back is lost on you. And then you follow it up with...

Of course I'll like it, love it.

So, yeah, I'm confused. Aside from the fact that there has been so much complaining about elements of this movie in this thread that it's caused at least two separate complaint threads to branch out from it, we're the ones arguing that Dragon Ball ISN'T some deep, artistic masterpiece. Don't get me wrong, we love Dragon Ball, and I personally am in the middle of a video series analyzing its story, but none of feel compelled to believe that it's anything more than what it is: which is fluff. It's fluff we all enjoy, but it's unabashedly lowbrow, silly children's entertainment written by a man whose original claim to fame was poop jokes. So I don't even know if you're upset that people aren't complaining when you are (even though they are), or that they simply aren't complaining about the exact thing at the exact time as you are. Some people have different opinions than you. And, hey, that's okay! That's what discussion is all about!

And...

What are you people, women?

Yes, some of us are. What of it?

[Chuquita]

I'm starting to think the thread's being trolled. I had an inkling that's what it was earlier, but now that daveslaine2770 is making sexist comments I'm certain that's what's going on. I wonder if any of the mods are still online.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I'm starting to think the thread's being trolled. I had an inkling that's what it was earlier, but now that daveslaine2770 is making sexist comments I'm certain that's what's going on. I wonder if any of the mods are still online.

One thing I know for sure is that this thread isn't going to look good 'til moderator or VegettoEX take their hands on this dude.

[Herms]

What are you people, women? Turns us off big time. What the hell is that?

You're entitled to your own opinion, but if you want to post on these forums, then you are going to have to phrase your opinion in a way that is A) coherent, and B) respectful towards others. Other people can like things you dislike; it doesn't mean they're mindless drones who like anything put out out under the DB banner, it just means they have different taste than you. And nonsensical sexist remarks won't be tolerated.

[batistabus]

(referring to the JSAT special) That was such an idiotic waste of time. I still havent see it.

Huh.

Don't be a hater. Actually give the film(s) a shot before you start bashing. You claim to love Dragon Ball more than everyone here, and you seem to think very highly of Akira Toriyama, so considering how heavily involved he is with this film, you should be ecstatic. You can whine and complain about kids these days and their newfangled animation and music, but you're just ruining things for yourself. We'll still enjoy it for what it is, and I think you'll appreciate things a lot more if you take a similar course of action. I don't think anyone here loved Episode of Bardock, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything enjoyable about it.

[Avenged]

That was such an idiotic waste of time. I still havent see it.

How do you know it is a waste of time if you have yet to see it? Nice logic.