Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[TheMightyOzaru]

I know this takes place before Uub appears, but I only just realized that it kind of makes the whole Uub thing pointless to Goku if he truly encounters another enemy that is stronger than him before Uub shows up. I thought the whole point was Buu was so strong that he was the only opponent that could really give Goku a run for his money. Even with all his power he couldn't seem to defeat him all on his own, so that seems to make it all that more important to Goku to get to fight his reincarnation. But if Bils has already appeared and Goku somehow defeats him in this movie it would kind of mess that up eh? If this is indeed canon. Part of me wishes that this took place sometime after uub appears so we can see some of his development as Toriyama would have done it (or alternatively at least later in the series so we could see pan and an older Trunks/Goten)...

(just bringing it up for discussion's sake, not really ruining anything for me)

Uub is Goku's successor not some end all be all challenge. Plus Uub couldnt even beat base Goku... SSJ Vegeta and Gohan are both stronger than Uub.

[Herms]

GT is officially 5 years after the end of Z. Don't know how much that affects the "how long would Goku go without returning home?" debate, but there you go.

How much stronger do you have to be to stop someone like that? I'd say one could if they were more than twice as powerful than the target, so all of them could do so.

The thing is, when do we ever see characters stop other characters with their fingers? Freeza doesn't do that to Nail, and even Vegetto when trouncing Boo shows off only by not using his arms (and beating him up as a candy ball, but supposedly his strength was the same in that form). Jackie Chun defeats Yamcha by waving his hand, though that really only worked because of the tournament ring-out rules. And Tao Pai Pai kills that tailor by stabbing in the head with his finger, and more impressively kills Blue by stabbing him in the head with his tongue (though I hear the tongue is actually the strongest muscle in the body). Goku stopped Trunks' sword with his finger, but he concentrated his ki a lot beforehand, and says Trunks wasn't giving it his all. And in DBZ movie 7, Android No.14 stops Trunks' sword with two fingers, but Super Saiyan Trunks later kills him. So...I don't know. I forgot what my point was.

[InfernalVegito]

It also doesn't necessarily have to do anything with strength. Either magic or something else stopped Son Goku. We can't know.

[Chuquita]

There's a clean scan of the flyer on (I think Kei17's?) twitter: http://i.imgur.com/7Vpd9.jpg
Birusu looks pleased in the new screenshot and Goku's pretty much not reacting at all; this really makes me think Birusu might also have time-stopping powers in addition to having his sand-midas finger.

Anyone notice any spoilers (or not?) in the character summaries? I might try to translate a few after I take care of my headache.

[Gokuden]

There's a clean scan of the flyer on (I think Kei17's?) twitter: http://i.imgur.com/7Vpd9.jpg
Birusu looks pleased in the new screenshot and Goku's pretty much not reacting at all; this really makes me think Birusu might also have time-stopping powers in addition to having his sand-midas finger.

Anyone notice any spoilers (or not?) in the character summaries?

Wow, does Yamcha look like a peasant now, more so than ever! He looks like he sells newspapers on a Hong Kong street-corner circa 1910.
The boys don't look cute anymore; Goten looks like a ventriloquist dummy; Gohan is nerdo-chan, Bulma and Videl are hot (as usual), Chichi doesn't exist, Bils performs lobotomy on Goku.

Future Trunks arrives and saves the day.

[penguintruth]

Pilaf sure is aging better than in GT.

[Rukura]

Pilaf sure is aging better than in GT.

The 10+(?) years after these events must really have done quite a number on him

[Titan]

I know this takes place before Uub appears, but I only just realized that it kind of makes the whole Uub thing pointless to Goku if he truly encounters another enemy that is stronger than him before Uub shows up. I thought the whole point was Buu was so strong that he was the only opponent that could really give Goku a run for his money. Even with all his power he couldn't seem to defeat him all on his own, so that seems to make it all that more important to Goku to get to fight his reincarnation. But if Bils has already appeared and Goku somehow defeats him in this movie it would kind of mess that up eh? If this is indeed canon. Part of me wishes that this took place sometime after uub appears so we can see some of his development as Toriyama would have done it (or alternatively at least later in the series so we could see pan and an older Trunks/Goten)...

(just bringing it up for discussion's sake, not really ruining anything for me)

Uub is Goku's successor not some end all be all challenge. Plus Uub couldnt even beat base Goku... SSJ Vegeta and Gohan are both stronger than Uub.

Uub couldn't even beat base Goku? I must have missed that part in the manga unless you are talking about Kid Uub.
Uub is supposed to develop and go further Kid Buu's fighting potential, therefore, after adequate training
Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against Uub.

[Fox666]

The thing is, when do we ever see characters stop other characters with their fingers? Freeza doesn't do that to Nail, and even Vegetto when trouncing Boo shows off only by not using his arms (and beating him up as a candy ball, but supposedly his strength was the same in that form). Jackie Chun defeats Yamcha by waving his hand, though that really only worked because of the tournament ring-out rules. And Tao Pai Pai kills that tailor by stabbing in the head with his finger, and more impressively kills Blue by stabbing him in the head with his tongue (though I hear the tongue is actually the strongest muscle in the body). Goku stopped Trunks' sword with his finger, but he concentrated his ki a lot beforehand, and says Trunks wasn't giving it his all. And in DBZ movie 7, Android No.14 stops Trunks' sword with two fingers, but Super Saiyan Trunks later kills him. So...I don't know. I forgot what my point was.

I guess Kami-sama senting Goku flying by flickering his fingers is the closest we see (and it seems there wasn't a colossal difference in their powers).

[JeffJarrett]

I was also about to mention Kami repelling Goku when the latter attacked him thinking he was Piccolo Daimao.

[Herms]

I guess Kami-sama senting Goku flying by flickering his fingers is the closest we see (and it seems there wasn't a colossal difference in their powers).

Oh yeah, how'd I forget that? I love that panel.

But I think there is supposed to be a big difference between them, since Goku was completely outclassed by Popo, and Old Green is supposed to be even greater than that. But maybe it's more a difference of skill than of raw power. The bulk of Goku's training in the Heavenly Realm seems to revolve around ki-related skills after all. In terms of scouter BP of course all these characters get squeezed together pretty tightly (then there's the fact that the Weekly Jump BP for God is lower than Goku's at this point, but that's another ball of wax).

The 10+(?) years after these events must really have done quite a number on him

There's a total of 15 years between Boo's defeat and the start of GT: 10 between his defeat and Goku meeting Oob, then 5 between then and GT. If we assume this movie takes places roughly 3 years after the battle with Boo (so far all we know is that it's "several years" later), then that would put it at about 12 years before GT.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I know this takes place before Uub appears, but I only just realized that it kind of makes the whole Uub thing pointless to Goku if he truly encounters another enemy that is stronger than him before Uub shows up. I thought the whole point was Buu was so strong that he was the only opponent that could really give Goku a run for his money. Even with all his power he couldn't seem to defeat him all on his own, so that seems to make it all that more important to Goku to get to fight his reincarnation. But if Bils has already appeared and Goku somehow defeats him in this movie it would kind of mess that up eh? If this is indeed canon. Part of me wishes that this took place sometime after uub appears so we can see some of his development as Toriyama would have done it (or alternatively at least later in the series so we could see pan and an older Trunks/Goten)...

(just bringing it up for discussion's sake, not really ruining anything for me)

Uub is Goku's successor not some end all be all challenge. Plus Uub couldnt even beat base Goku... SSJ Vegeta and Gohan are both stronger than Uub.

Uub couldn't even beat base Goku? I must have missed that part in the manga unless you are talking about Kid Uub.
Uub is supposed to develop and go further Kid Buu's fighting potential, therefore, after adequate training
Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against Uub.

No duh of course Uub is supposed to get stronger. Uub generally stronger than Vegeta? Sorry I have a hard time buying that since Vegeta isnt that much weaker than Goku. Uub is the successor not the strongest character in DBZ.

[DNA]

No duh of course Uub is supposed to get stronger. Uub generally stronger than Vegeta? Sorry I have a hard time buying that since Vegeta isnt that much weaker than Goku. Uub is the successor not the strongest character in DBZ.

Dude, how to you reach these conclusions? Pure Buu was stronger than Vegeta, in fact he was shown to be on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku if not stronger. Uub is supposed to, with time, be at least as strong as Pure Buu but since he's a human, it's only natural that he can surpass that with time and training. So yeah, it's perfectly natural to assume that, with time, Uub would be the strongest character in the franchise.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No duh of course Uub is supposed to get stronger. Uub generally stronger than Vegeta? Sorry I have a hard time buying that since Vegeta isnt that much weaker than Goku. Uub is the successor not the strongest character in DBZ.

Dude, how to you reach these conclusions? Pure Buu was stronger than Vegeta, in fact he was shown to be on par with Super Saiyan 3 Goku if not stronger. Uub is supposed to, with time, be at least as strong as Pure Buu but since he's a human, it's only natural that he can surpass that with time and training. So yeah, it's perfectly natural to assume that, with time, Uub would be the strongest character in the franchise.

You do realize that A Goku's base form isnt that much stronger than Vegeta's and B Uub more than likely wont get more than 100x stronger than Vegeta's base form since he too grows stronger with time.

[dprez]

There's a clean scan of the flyer on (I think Kei17's?) twitter: http://i.imgur.com/7Vpd9.jpg
Birusu looks pleased in the new screenshot and Goku's pretty much not reacting at all; this really makes me think Birusu might also have time-stopping powers in addition to having his sand-midas finger.

Anyone notice any spoilers (or not?) in the character summaries? I might try to translate a few after I take care of my headache.

This was cool to see. When there's more shading on the characters, the animation looks really good. I can understand why some aren't diggin' it, but it looks fine to me. Heavily shaded scenes actually look like the best parts of original series. Ssj Gotenks, Bils stopping Goku with one finger, and "that other guy" (don't know his name), these shots look really nice. Bottom row all next to each other.

This movie looks like a lot of fun. Who is this guy, and what does he want with our super powerful heroes?! I'm so looking forward to seeing this.

[DNA]

You do realize that A Goku's base form isnt that much stronger than Vegeta's and B Uub more than likely wont get more than 100x stronger than Vegeta's base form since he too grows stronger with time.

That may be true but, as stated by Goku himself, Uub was getting exponentially stronger even during their fight, which means Uub grows stronger at a faster rate than anyone else we've seen in the franchise. Even if we assume he caps out when he reaches the same power as Buu and then progresses at a normal pace, that will still put him higher than Vegeta. Maybe Vegeta could catch up and surpass him with time, but I believe it would take a lot of time for him to do that. All these are nothing but theories though, for all we know Uub could keep progressing at a really fast rate and Vegeta could never keep up if that would be the case.

[dbzfan7]

So why is Kaio in this but not the Kaioshin. They make way more sense. I think they might be in it still since we have only seen a bit.

[Karasai]

not sure if someone posted already but a clearer image of Bills and Wiss

[dprez]

"Wiss" and "Bils" ehh. I want to know how they are connected to the "Gods", the Kaioshin.

Possibly a different race was in contention for "gods" but they lost out somehow. Seeing how they are so powerful, and how this follows the Boo arc, where the Kaioshin were heavily involved, it seams plausible that they would come to challenge the very beings who the "gods" used to defeat the ultimate evil of the universe.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Just wondering, how big is the hype for this movie in Japan?