Dragon Ball Online Retconning GT's Existence

[Bussani]

Anything could be canon to anything if you just imagine there's one big multiverse linking them all together. Kinda defeats the purpose if you look at it that way, though.

But if you really wanna get down to it, if there's one 'objective canon' (because of the nature of canon, there isn't, but let's say there is), it's the manga, the original tankobon, the source material.

Pointing out the tankobon specifically raises an interesting point: what about the kanzenban? Even if we can all agree that the manga is the author's original work, and thus should be the closest thing to an agreed upon canon, how does everyone handle the differences between the tankobon and kanzenban? Which are canon? Do there have to be two manga canons?

[Hellspawn28]

The kanzenban was a remake. I feel like it should not be viewed as canon since it was the same story with very little changes. The ending at the end of the manga is the original ending that happen in the original source material.

DB online doesnt necessarily retcon GT. DBZ is proven to have multiple universes thanks to Trunks. In fact, can't believe I never thought about this before, all the Dragon Ball content could be canon if we incorporate a multiverse theory.

Those are alternate timelines and alternate timelines are not the same as an multiverse. Alternate timelines are more then one timeline that exist in one universe while a multiverse is just a specific group of multiple universes.

[Bussani]

The kanzenban was a remake. I feel like it should not be viewed as canon since it was the same story with very little changes. The ending at the end of the manga is the original ending that happen in the original source material.

But could you get every Dragon Ball fan to agree with you on that?

Those are alternate timelines and alternate timelines are not the same as an multiverse. Alternate timelines are more then one timeline that exist in one universe while a multiverse is just a specific group of multiple universes.

I think you'll start getting into semantics there. A multiverse is a group of parallel universes, and "parallel universe" is a vague term that can include alternate histories/timelines. Because of this, one wouldn't be technically incorrect for calling a collection of alternate timelines a multiverse.

[JeffJarrett]

Having DB Online pretending GT never happen is a good thing.

The company that made DBO ignored GT because they hadn't enough money to get a license from Toei Animation. That's also why they had to change the design of the Yardrats.

[Rory]

The company that made DBO ignored GT because they hadn't enough money to get a license from Toei Animation. That's also why they had to change the design of the Yardrats.

Wanna source yourself on that one?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The company that made DBO ignored GT because they hadn't enough money to get a license from Toei Animation. That's also why they had to change the design of the Yardrats.

Wanna source yourself on that one?

I'm not sure it was a monetary issue (though what isn't in these situations), but it was definitely revealed that they weren't capable of getting the rights to anything but the manga in a developer interview a couple years ago. Herms acknowledged this earlier in the thread as well, but I think the original source of the interview has been lost due to broken links on the Korean sites who hosted it.

[Hellspawn28]

The company that made DBO ignored GT because they hadn't enough money to get a license from Toei Animation. That's also why they had to change the design of the Yardrats.

Wanna source yourself on that one?

I was going to say the same thing as well. I'm calling bullshit on it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I was going to say the same thing as well. I'm calling bullshit on it.

They may not have wanted to do anything with GT even if they had gotten the rights to it, but we'll never know because they didn't and so it's a non-issue.

[Hellspawn28]

I think DB Online ignores GT because it's set in the same world as the manga and GT is not apart of the original story given that AT never wrote it. GT is just one big filler episode in my opinion and should be viewed as it's own thing.

[JeffJarrett]

The company that made DBO ignored GT because they hadn't enough money to get a license from Toei Animation. That's also why they had to change the design of the Yardrats.

Wanna source yourself on that one?

I was going to say the same thing as well. I'm calling bullshit on it.

They told themseves that they weren't able to get the anime license in an interview. Herms also acknowledged this, like TheDevilsCorpse previously said in the post right above your comment.

[Herms]

I no longer have a working link to the article, but from what I recall, all that was said was that they only had the license for the manga. Nothing about them trying and failing to obtain the anime license for whatever reason.

[Hellspawn28]

Seeing that DB Online is made for the Asian market then I can see why they also choose to ignore GT. I always been told that GT is never popular in Japan at all. GT to Dragon Ball is what the Millennium Godzilla movies are to the Godzilla franchise.

[Rocketman]

DBO is somehow even worse in all aspects than GT ever was.

So both can fuck off.

[JeffJarrett]

Seeing that DB Online is made for the Asian market then I can see why they also choose to ignore GT. I always been told that GT is never popular in Japan at all. GT to Dragon Ball is what the Millennium Godzilla movies are to the Godzilla franchise.

GT has never been popular in Japan and DBO has never managed to make it to Japan at all.

[Cipher]

Seeing that DB Online is made for the Asian market then I can see why they also choose to ignore GT. I always been told that GT is never popular in Japan at all. GT to Dragon Ball is what the Millennium Godzilla movies are to the Godzilla franchise.

As a pretty big fan of both Dragon Ball and Godzilla, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to get at here.

Is ... is it just a quality thing? Because however you feel about it, there's no way GT ever approaches the aggressive mediocrity of the last ten or so G-films.

[Hellspawn28]

Is ... is it just a quality thing? Because however you feel about it, there's no way GT ever approaches the aggressive mediocrity of the last ten or so G-films.

I disagree. I made that compression since both of them are not popular with their fanbase in Japan and both have hardly any merchandise. All of the DBZ merchandise in Japan from what I've seen over the years are based on DB and DBZ.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The kanzenban was a remake. I feel like it should not be viewed as canon since it was the same story with very little changes. The ending at the end of the manga is the original ending that happen in the original source material.

It's not a remake. It's just a revised version of the manga by Toriyama. And the Kanzenban ending shows us Toriyama's current vision of the finale of the manga.

[hleV]

The kanzenban was a remake.

Kanzenban is not a remake. It's a "Perfect Edition". That is, it's the "corrected" version. It has corrected stuff (like battle power), and also a new, "true" ending. Toriyama wouldn't have changed the ending if he didn't feel like it was supposed to be like that. New stuff from the author always retcons the old stuff, as long as they contradict each other. Unless you decide that the rules for DB's "truth" (I'm afraid to use the word "canon", by "truth" I mean "true to the manga") are for whatever reason different than in most other fiction that has the "canon" issue as well.

[Bussani]

It's funny because the point I was making was that people wouldn't be able to agree on whether the tankobon or kanzenshuu were the "true canon", which is exactly what's just happened. If that's not an example of how there really is no agreed upon canon, I don't know what is!

[Wobbuffet]

So, should we make an topic about whether the tankobon or kanzenban are the true canon?
I wanna talk about how Shaman King fans seem to love the kanzenban ending.