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Exactly. Kaioshin's only mistake was greatly underestimating the strength of Goku and co., which, honestly, isn't that bad of a mistake. It's a mistake like thinking you have $5 in your wallet when you actually have $500 is a mistake. All it meant was that his plan was in the process of proceeding even better than he could have expected! But then Vegeta had to go and screw everything up, like he is extremely prone to do...
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The plan started to go down hill long before Vegeta started whining like the little bitch he is, which is why I said 92% out of the blame goes to Kaioshin. Vegeta's bitching just worsened the blow.Zephyr wrote:He did let them know before it was too late. They had plenty of time to stop Buu from being awakened. It was only when Vegeta got bored and started crying like a spoiled little princess because he wanted to play with Kakarot that the plan started to go down hill.DBZAOTA482 wrote:or let the Saiyans know about Majin Boo BEFORE it was too late.
Not if it's to the extend where he thinks Gohan can't beat weaklings like Spopovich and Yamu.Gaffer Tape wrote:Kaioshin's only mistake was greatly underestimating the strength of Goku and co., which, honestly, isn't that bad of a mistake.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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At what single point prior to Vegeta's stupidity did they not have the mission 100% in the bag?DBZAOTA482 wrote:The plan started to go down hill long before Vegeta started whining like the little bitch he is, which is why I said 92% out of the blame goes to Kaioshin. Vegeta's bitching just worsened the blow.
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Letting two muscle-bound thugs steal Gohan's energy.Zephyr wrote:At what single point prior to Vegeta's stupidity did they not have the mission 100% in the bag?DBZAOTA482 wrote:The plan started to go down hill long before Vegeta started whining like the little bitch he is, which is why I said 92% out of the blame goes to Kaioshin. Vegeta's bitching just worsened the blow.
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fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Remember, Babidi's location.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Letting two muscle-bound thugs steal Gohan's energy.Zephyr wrote:At what single point prior to Vegeta's stupidity did they not have the mission 100% in the bag?DBZAOTA482 wrote:The plan started to go down hill long before Vegeta started whining like the little bitch he is, which is why I said 92% out of the blame goes to Kaioshin. Vegeta's bitching just worsened the blow.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He's the supreme Kai so he should have known where Bobbidi was from the start.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Remember, Babidi's location.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Why?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It's his duty as a Kai to look over the omniverse in case of perpetual threats as big as Majin Boo, not doing whatever he was doing post-Freeza Saga.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why?
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fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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How did that screw up the plan? There was still not a single thing that would have prevented them from infiltrating the ship and killing all who stood in their way at this point, sans Vegeta being a dick.DBZAOTA482 wrote:Letting two muscle-bound thugs steal Gohan's energy.Zephyr wrote:At what single point prior to Vegeta's stupidity did they not have the mission 100% in the bag?DBZAOTA482 wrote:The plan started to go down hill long before Vegeta started whining like the little bitch he is, which is why I said 92% out of the blame goes to Kaioshin. Vegeta's bitching just worsened the blow.
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He was. That's why he was on Earth to pre-empt Babid and Dabura in the first place. And it was established several times that Babidi was aware of the Kaioshin as well and trying to avoid him.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's his duty as a Kai to look over the omniverse in case of perpetual threats as big as Majin Boo, not doing whatever he was doing post-Freeza Saga.
Please tell me more about your fabulous Boo arc fan fiction though.
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And he knew that Babidi was on Earth. But remember how Babidi's spaceship works. It doesn't travel trough space, it teleports to the planet Babidi wants to go. And instead of searching the planet for a huge spaceship, Kaioshin should search the whole planet for a human sized gate... which would be stupid to even try that, because he would have to search every single corner in the planet.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's his duty as a Kai to look over the omniverse in case of perpetual threats as big as Majin Boo, not doing whatever he was doing post-Freeza Saga.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Dead sure, because that's what we were told. I don't see any reason for Toriyama to include it if it wasn't true.sonikku956 wrote:
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Yes, he read Vegeta's mind. But Spopovich & Yamu were both minions of Babidi, who is a wizard, so it's only logical to assume that he would have taken his measures to hide his location and prevent his biggest enemy from learning his plans through his minions.Cipher wrote:Do we know he could read their minds?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't write fan fiction.Cipher wrote:He was. That's why he was on Earth to pre-empt Babid and Dabura in the first place. And it was established several times that Babidi was aware of the Kaioshin as well and trying to avoid him.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's his duty as a Kai to look over the omniverse in case of perpetual threats as big as Majin Boo, not doing whatever he was doing post-Freeza Saga.
Please tell me more about your fabulous Boo arc fan fiction though.
My problem with him is that he was painfully incompetent. It's like he decided to do his job at the last second instead of actually doing his homework.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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He's essentially god therefore should know every basic foundation of all planets, especially since he's lived for so long and he CAN use Shukadon Ido.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And he knew that Babidi was on Earth. But remember how Babidi's spaceship works. It doesn't travel trough space, it teleports to the planet Babidi wants to go. And instead of searching the planet for a huge spaceship, Kaioshin should search the whole planet for a human sized gate... which would be stupid to even try that, because he would have to search every single corner in the planet.DBZAOTA482 wrote:It's his duty as a Kai to look over the omniverse in case of perpetual threats as big as Majin Boo, not doing whatever he was doing post-Freeza Saga.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why?
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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It's Vegeta's fault. Dabura would have eventually beaten Gohan to a point in which he would surrender or Goku would step in, one shot Dabura, game over.
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I like how everyone blames Vegeta for this. You know all of this could have been avoided had Gohan not been a slacker and actually trained for those 7 yearsMjb1985 wrote:It's Vegeta's fault. Dabura would have eventually beaten Gohan to a point in which he would surrender or Goku would step in, one shot Dabura, game over.
. Actually you know whats even funnier is all of this could have been avoided if Kaioshin didnt A show up and let Gohan's energy be stolen and B stop Vegeta from destroying Babidi's ship.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Why would Darbra have beaten Gohan, if they were fighting evenly so far?
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The energy would transfer to Majin Boo if he destroyed the ship.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I like how everyone blames Vegeta for this. You know all of this could have been avoided had Gohan not been a slacker and actually trained for those 7 yearsMjb1985 wrote:It's Vegeta's fault. Dabura would have eventually beaten Gohan to a point in which he would surrender or Goku would step in, one shot Dabura, game over.
Anyways, Goku is just as much to blame as Vegeta because he could have knocked Vegeta out by going SSJ3 on his ass and kill Majin Boo.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Kaioshin said this might happen, it was one of two possibilities. Either Buu wouldn't have woken up or he would have and the Kaioshin didn't want to take the risk. Also Kaioshin said that if Buu was awakened then he wouldn't be at full power. Well.. If he only got half of his power from Gohan when he'd woken up Goku and Vegeta would have been able to take care of him pretty easily if he was only at 50% of his full strength.DBZAOTA482 wrote:The energy would transfer to Majin Boo if he destroyed the ship.