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by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:22 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't know if others agree with this, I've never seen anyone saying this, so he it goes:
In the manga (ignoring GT), Goku taught Oob all his techniques, including Kaio-ken, Genki Dama, and Shunkan Ido.
I could definitely agree with that, it fits. The only stuff Goku might not have bothered to teach him would be old moves like the Janken Fist, since...well...fun as that is, it doesn't really have much use by that point.
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by Bussani » Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:37 pm
Goku could steal from Hunter x Hunter to make the technique relevant again. Rock: used to be punch--upgrade to Dragon Fist; Scissors: used to be a poke in the eyes--upgrade to Ki Saber; Paper: used to be a slap--upgrade to Kiai Canon.
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by Saiga » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:13 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I don't know if others agree with this, I've never seen anyone saying this, so he it goes:
In the manga (ignoring GT), Goku taught Oob all his techniques, including Kaio-ken, Genki Dama, and Shunkan Ido.
I'd only disagree with the Shunkan Ido, only because he never taught it to Gohan when they were training together. I believe it's too difficult for a non-Yardrat to teach it to someone.
And maybe Kaio-ken, as well.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:09 pm
Saiga wrote:I'd only disagree with the Shunkan Ido, only because he never taught it to Gohan when they were training together. I believe it's too difficult for a non-Yardrat to teach it to someone.
It took Goku 1 year to learn it, and it would be a waste of time to try to teach to Gohan, since Goku's objective was to make Gohan stronger than him, and fast. But with Oob, he has as much time as he wants.
Saiga wrote:And maybe Kaio-ken, as well.
Why?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiga » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:16 pm
He also had 3 years before that to teach him.
And since no-one else learned the Kaio-ken, I don't think Oob is able too.
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by Zephyr » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:08 pm
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Zephyr wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Okay wrong words. What I mean is that at the beginning, it had a very basic plot that had no set direction. It was just a light-hearted reliteration of the chinese folktale "Journey of the West" but by DBZ, it's fully-established the direction it was heading to (Sci-fantasy action series where Goku's past comes back to nip him in the bud, and dying a hero along with his sins) and it became it's own thing except the few plot details that pay homage to Superman and Terminator.
The only time the series was really a reference to Journey to the West was in the very first story arc. Even by the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc it was its own thing.
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did say the beginning, didn't I? Still, it didn't establish what direction the story was going at during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc as it was still light-hearted.
Well, no, you seemed to be implying that it was Journey to the West up until the Z portion of the story. My bad if I misinterpreted.
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by Insertclevername » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:01 am
Here's one that will sure get me some flak.... (probably not but whatever... )
I like Trunks' GT outfit.
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by AgitoZ » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:11 am
Insertclevername wrote:I like Trunks' GT outfit.
I have no real problems with the outfit itself, it's just kinda boring. It certainly looks better without the jacket but I still find it to be rather dull. It would help if the colors were a bit more engaging like the bandanna.
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by Gaffer Tape » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:52 am
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Still, it didn't establish what direction the story was going at during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc as it was still light-hearted.
I admit I don't quite get this. How does it being lighthearted have anything to do with whether or not it had established a direction?
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by MagicBox » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:54 am
Insertclevername wrote:I like Trunks' GT outfit.
Ooh, I'm glad someone brought this up. Not only do I think Trunks' GT outfit
rocks, but I've always thought it would look even *better* with a cowboy hat.
And that, my friends, is why you don't want me working as a character designer at Toei.
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by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:50 am
Gaffer Tape wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Still, it didn't establish what direction the story was going at during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc as it was still light-hearted.
I admit I don't quite get this. How does it being lighthearted have anything to do with whether or not it had established a direction?
Once it's done with the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc it would switch to the Red Ribbon Army arc and then the Uranai Baba arc. As an example.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:48 am
Saiga wrote:He also had 3 years before that to teach him.
And again, he had to make Gohan & himself stronger fast, because otherwise, they would die. Trying to teach Gohan Shunkan Ido would be again a waste of time.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Gaffer Tape » Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:49 am
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Gaffer Tape wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Still, it didn't establish what direction the story was going at during the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc as it was still light-hearted.
I admit I don't quite get this. How does it being lighthearted have anything to do with whether or not it had established a direction?
Once it's done with the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc it would switch to the Red Ribbon Army arc and then the Uranai Baba arc. As an example.
I still don't get what you mean. Once it completed a story arc it moved on to another story arc? Like... it always does? And... would continue to do for the rest of the series...?
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by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:09 am
Gaffer Tape wrote:I still don't get what you mean. Once it completed a story arc it moved on to another story arc? Like... it always does? And... would continue to do for the rest of the series...?
It hasn't established it's definite tone yet. That's what I mean.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by Zephyr » Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:11 pm
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Gaffer Tape wrote:I still don't get what you mean. Once it completed a story arc it moved on to another story arc? Like... it always does? And... would continue to do for the rest of the series...?
It hasn't established it's definite tone yet. That's what I mean.
Dragonball doesn't have a "definite" tone though. It focuses on comedy for the first half, and action for the second half. Two sides of the same coin. One isn't more important, or "definite" than the other.
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by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:52 pm
Zephyr wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Gaffer Tape wrote:I still don't get what you mean. Once it completed a story arc it moved on to another story arc? Like... it always does? And... would continue to do for the rest of the series...?
It hasn't established it's definite tone yet. That's what I mean.
Dragonball doesn't have a "definite" tone though. It focuses on comedy for the first half, and action for the second half. Two sides of the same coin. One isn't more important, or "definite" than the other.
There's a difference between Tone and Mood. Tone is what the story is trying to convey whereas Mood is the feeling.
Seriously, if this many people can't understand the distinction between the two then it explains why shit like Elfen Lied are so popular.
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fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by Gonstead » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:36 am
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by shreddinghead » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:32 pm
I like GT. I actually said it
I even like the songs that came with the funimation dvd set.
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by xXInfinite026Xx » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:09 pm
This may not be an unpopular opinion here, but I think Team Faulconer's SSJ3 theme is pretty overrated. Fans of the english (Funimation) dub are always quick to point out that theme when showcasing Faulconer's music, but it never sounded any special to me; only like some Sega midi rip-off. I liked many Faulconer tracks back in the day (and still occasionally get nostalgic with several of them), but that particular theme never really caught on to me.
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by Sin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:46 pm
I've seen a few people say this so I don't think it's that unpopular but I too enjoyed GT.
Also my favorite opening is Rock the Dragon, out of all the openings for any of the DB series'.
I enjoyed the Garlic Jr Arc more than the Cell and Boo arcs, in fact I've never watched/read the Boo arc from start to finish, I lost interest around the Cell Games.
I don't care for movie 12.
