How was DBZ originally gonna end?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:11 pm

I'm sorry, I hate when Toriyama tried to make Gohan the hero. Gohan is a whiney baby, he always has been, he's not Goku, he never was & never will be.

Who the hell said he was Goku? He's not Goku and he's not supposed to be Goku. I hate when people claim that Gohan's stupid or that they hate him or what not and use the fact that he's not Goku as a reason. It's the dumbest reason there is. Ya, Gohan started off as a scared little kid, so what? He grew into one of the most powerful, skilled, and fearless fighters in the universe.

I don't know about you guys, but I like to see one guy be the hero, he's the main guy.

Goku beat Pilaf. Goku beat the Red Ribbon Army. Goku beat King Piccolo. Goku beat Piccolo. Goku beat (though with help) Vegeta. Goku beat Recoome. Goku Beat Freeza. You know what? After ALL of that, you pretty much know that Goku will win. It's dull, it's boring, it's repetitve. You have to have other characters win now and then or there's no reason to even have other characters in the show.

If you think about it, Gohan was actually 18, hence a senior in high school. He was 11 during the Cell Games, seven years later, he'd be 18.

Not quite...

You've been dubbed.

Begining of Z - Gohan is 4.
End of Freeza Arc - Gohan is 5.
Appearance of Trunks - Gohan is 6 or 7
Artificial Humans - Gohan is 9 or 10
Satan High School - The Manga (and Jp Anime) itself says Gohan is 16.

You're kind of right, but not entirely. Bad Duo!

Beginning of Z - 4 years, 5 months.
End of Namek - 5 years, 7 months.
Trunks Saga - 7 years, 3 months.
Androids Appear - 9 years, 11 months, several days.
Cell Games - 10 years, a couple days (Or, nearly 11 years if you count the RoSaT)
High Shcool - 16 years, 11 months, several days. (Or, nearly 17 if you count the RoSaT)

So, yes, while Gohan is currently 16 during the entirety of the Buu Saga (don't forget, the tournament to the end of Kid Buu is only a day) it's still only a few weeks prior to his 17th birthday. And, counting the RoSaT time, he's almost 18 at that point.

ulisa · Post by **ulisa** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:39 pm

The ending of DBZ...hmm, I can't really say where I'd have preferred it to end but I did have quite a few problems with how it did end, mainly involving characterization.

1) In the original enmding, they made Gohan actually become a scholar and seemingly give up fighting. Now, the becoming a scholar I can buy to some degree because he does like reading and exploration and what not but I cannot buy the aspect that he gave up fighting. Every time we see him sparring and fighting, he seems to like that a lot. I thought that was really evident in both the Cell and Tournament Sagas. He looked a lot happier sparring than he did studying...I think giving up fighting entirely would have killed him. I still think he was probably training on the side, most likely training Pan a bit.

2) Goku taking off with Ubb just really bugs me. Goku, if anything, struck me as loyal. While Gohan certainly didn't need a father anymore, Goten was still living at home. A lot of people say he was training an heir to take over defending the earth and I say...what are his kids, chopped liver? To me, I could believe if he wanted to train Ubb but I can't buy that it's because he didn't beleive his kids could defend the earth in his absense. If anything, at least with Gohan, he seemed to pound on that kid that he believed in him. Plus, he had a granddaughter by this point...sorry, that just didn't strike me as being in Goku's character.

As to where was it supposed to end, I think with the destruction of Freeza. I'm glad it DIDN'T end there because I absolutely love the Cell Saga but that was probably the most reasonable spot. Goku avenges his race, destroys Freeza and left behind to defend the earth is his son who by this point had shown signs of being different than his father but being enough like him to follow in his footsteps.

However, I think ending it after Cell could have worked as well. I think at that point, everything had come full circle. Goku started off as pupil of martial arts, surpassed his own masters and then became a father and thus, a teacher himself. By the end of Cell, Gohan has surpassed his father, his teacher, as well. The circle would have been completed.

Just my take...

Ulisa:)

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:44 pm

Well, I was counting the RoSaT.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:27 pm

I like to view Freeza and Goku's deaths as basically 'the end'. Of course, it does leave it on a cliffhanger.....but I kinda see it as a 'attempted end'. After all, it makes more sense if Toriyama tried to end it, and was forced to continue it...

So yeah. Goku and Freeza both die. Everyone wonders what do to next.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:20 am

Who the hell said he was Goku? He's not Goku and he's not supposed to be Goku. I hate when people claim that Gohan's stupid or that they hate him or what not and use the fact that he's not Goku as a reason. It's the dumbest reason there is. Ya, Gohan started off as a scared little kid, so what? He grew into one of the most powerful, skilled, and fearless fighters in the universe.

I don't hate Gohan, but I hate how Toriyama tried to make him the hero, he's not hero material.

Goku beat Pilaf. Goku beat the Red Ribbon Army. Goku beat King Piccolo. Goku beat Piccolo. Goku beat (though with help) Vegeta. Goku beat Recoome. Goku Beat Freeza. You know what? After ALL of that, you pretty much know that Goku will win. It's dull, it's boring, it's repetitve. You have to have other characters win now and then or there's no reason to even have other characters in the show.

Would it really make a difference? You're acting as though by Gohan being the hero the bad guy will win. Which if that is your point....would you want that to happen?

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:30 am

I don't hate Gohan, but I hate how Toriyama tried to make him the hero, he's not hero material.

He is the hero type. He's proven that time after time.

Would it really make a difference? You're acting as though by Gohan being the hero the bad guy will win. Which if that is your point....would you want that to happen?

That is not what I said. What I said is this: Saga starts. You go "Oh, Goku's going to win this time, he always does." Goku then wins. Repeat 100 times. I'd rather it go: Saga stats. I say "I wonder which one will win this time?" Watch saga to find out who saves the day. Obviously, the second option is far superior to the first.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:44 am

Xyex wrote:Obviously, the second option is far superior to the first.

According to you, yes... your opinion is the best. That's why it's an opinion. More specifically, that's why it's *your* opinion, which may or may not be shared by others.

I don't think anyone in this thread has quite gotten that through their heads, yet

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Carry on.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:24 am

I must say I don't. I like seeing one man being the hero, I cannot help it.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:56 am

Well I THINK

That they are all heroes (the Z-fighters). But they all have different qualities. In the end it depends on who preferes who.

unstable_person99 · Post by **unstable_person99** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:49 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:Well I THINK That they are all heroes (the Z-fighters). But they all have different qualities. In the end it depends on who preferes who.

I agree with that 100%.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:43 pm

Yay someone agrees with me ^_^
Thankyou unstable person.

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:26 pm

I imagine that Goku's actual fate would have been left a mystery, rather like the GT ending, and that it would have stopped round about when they have the wrap up episode in the anime.
The dead characters would have been revived ( perhaps the Deinde's Dragon balls would have been limited to one wish), so Earth would have been OK.
Let's not forget that much of the later problems are indirect results of Goku's previous actions anyway.

vejita-sama · Post by **vejita-sama** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:11 pm

For those that don't know at least half the thingsmention on this threat is really filler for the anime.Sorry if this bugs someone but the truth is that the anime is based off the manga which is made by toriyama.I know he approves the character desings for the series but you have to agrre that he cant stay true to his original plot cause when they did this he was still writing the story.I only count oficial canon waht appears in the manga(Yay,I finally admit it!!!)

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:30 pm

Xyex wrote: Beginning of Z - 4 years, 5 months.

What's your source for that information?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:35 pm

As for the "Goku dies on Namek" attempt at ending Dragonball, it would've been all noble and fantasic and such but it wouldn't have been my preferred ending.

My preferred ending would've been when Gohan defeated Cell.

However, we all know the Buu Saga happened. I would've loved it if Gohan would've defeated Super Buu and ended the story there, but it didn't happen.

Overall, I'm happy with how Dragonball turned out as a whole. I would've preferred something different but Goku is also awesomesauce so I wasn't disapointed.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:06 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
Xyex wrote: Beginning of Z - 4 years, 5 months.
What's your source for that information?

Yeah, whoah, unless Gohan was born in 7 months I don't see how that's possible. There were only 5 years between Dragonball and DBZ right? Unless I don't know the finer details from some official source that gives it a few more months. I'm only going off the manga.

And I do believe Gohan was hero material. It just seemed that from the begining of DBZ we were really following HIS character development and his change into a stronger more dependable person. As much as I love Gokuh (favorite character), I really would've felt better about it if he had taken a back seat and Gohan had been given the dominant role.　It would have saved me a lot of grief about feeling like Gokuh was an ass at the end of the series with all that Saiyan pride crap.....but mostly, Gohan was always portrayed as the character with the most potential and frankly, not that I want to be cliche about it but, there are very few series about 30 year old heroes with children. It was all fine and dandy up until the Cell saga but when Gohan finally demonstrated that he was on a level way above anyone else, that should have been it.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:45 pm

I believe that the series mainly as a whole constructed on the relationship between Goku & Vegeta as they were the two most popular characters, the world kinda revolved around them.

vejita-sama · Post by **vejita-sama** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:24 am

But remember after gohan defeated cell he never trained again while goku and vegeta keep training,making them stronger.

Kanzenshuu

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