How was DBZ originally gonna end?

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:31 am

I've always wondered, how was Toriyama gonna end it in the Freeza Saga.....was Goku gonna be dead, or was it gonna be left up to the reader to decide, or did they do the whole "wish back" thing & find out that Goku was still alive.

SpaceKappa · Post by **SpaceKappa** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:53 am

I believe that Gokuu was supposed to die, as was Freeza, leaving the two strongest beings in the universe dead. Piccolo was supposed to be dead as well, so there would be no more Dragon Balls.

the1payday · Post by **the1payday** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:04 am

I'm pretty sure that Goku and Freeza would be dead...piccolo would have originally died from Freeza's shot to the chest. Vegeta would be dead as would Tienshinhan, Yamcha, Chouzu, and Kuririn. Bulma and Son Gohan would have been the only real original characters left.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:17 am

Wait, but Piccolo was still alive from the shot throug the chest, he gets healed by Dende while the fight with Freeza is still happening.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:39 am

Piccolo gets shot through the chest and Gohan carries him back to Goku's capsule ship. Gohan then returns to fight with Freeza and eventually everyone is returned to Earth with the dragonballs. I believe that Gohan was the only planned survivor, but as the series was destined to continue they allowed the major characters to live. So was Piccolo supposed to die, yes! Did he... no! I guess it's pretty much up for debate.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:45 am

I believe Toriyama-sensei intended for Piccolo to survive somehow as to allow the ressurection of the dead on Kaio-sama's world.

But, most of this particular discussion topic is and will be speculation...for all to ponder and reach no conclusions.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:31 am

Uh..I think the plan was to have everyone but Goku and Freeza live. o_o Dende was brought back to life and made the wish with the Namekian Dragon Balls to have everyone on Namek but Goku and Freeza sent to Earth. He then healed Piccolo right before Namek blew up.

So really, it was only Goku and Freeza who were to die. You can even see this as Goku actually flies out of Freeza's ship when he sees it not working and screams as Namek explodes in on chapter/episode...yet somehow finds a Ginyu spacepod without even actually leaving Freeza's ship. You can see Toriyama tried to find a way to get around what he wrote up.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:47 am

In the Manga, it's rather brilliant how Goku's demise is being watched from Kaio-sama's heavenly view and he turns his head and says "I can't watch!" just after Goku's scream, not long before the explosion. This leaves that tiny bit of time he wasn't looking for what happened to have occured.

Sheer Brilliance.

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:14 am

In the anime, I always thought episode #106(?) was intended to be the last.

Goku and Freeza "die"
Gohan stands up to Vegita and earns his respect
Vegita leaves (possible to fight another day?)
The world is saved, Goku is mourned, and Gohan could take the reigns if a spin-off was in the future.

After seeing this, and watching the next episode where Vegita is leaning on the tree when he suggests how to bring Goku back, I found this weird considering he "left" in the previous episode. Yet, he was at that tree like he had always been there and the fight between him and Gohan never happened.

Just my skewed view. Cheers!!

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:18 pm

There's really no way to answer this question.

Nobody can say "Well, Goku and Freeza were supposed to die," because Toriyama has never given a specific answer. Speculation is pointless.

We do know that he planned on ending it several times, though the specifics of how it would play out in the story are known only by Toriyama himself (And, uh, he probably forgot anyways).

He first wanted to end it after year 3 in the manga. He was forced to continue. Later on, after the 23rd Budokai, he began running out of ideas. So when TOEI wanted a new name for the series, he came up with the 'Z', signifying that the story would be ending soon.

Finally, we know that the Freeza saga was his last planned arc. Upon completion, he was once again forced to continue.

That's all that we know. (Without speculation)

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:32 pm

A good question is 'Would of it been a better thing that Goku died along with Namek?' Of course the show may have not been as popular as it is with all the other charaters in the mix (Cell and Buu) but maybe it would have felt a more 'honourable' ending.

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:30 pm

DBZ MAN wrote:A good question is 'Would of it been a better thing that Goku died along with Namek?'

In that case, no. It would have been overly depressing; a stark contrast from what the Dragonball story in general is about.

The death of Goku in the Cell saga is very different. Please do not even try to compare the two scenarios.

I honestly don't think Toriyama ever planned Goku to blow up along with Namek, and then just end the story. Gohan wasn't ready to take over as defender of the earth, Vegeta was still evil, and it makes no sense to me to make Goku go through all that just to get blown up. No, that would've been a HORRIBLE way to end the story, and I can't imagine how any of you can even consider that to be a good ending. Honorable? Yeah, sure, whatever. But does it work as a Dragonball story? Hell no.

But like I said before, I have no way of getting into the mind of Toriyama. I have no idea what he was planning, and neither do you. So, again, speculation is pointless.

Just throught I'd throw my two cents out there, though.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:47 pm

I actually find it pretty cool how Goku's "death" scene on Namek mirrored that of the previous Legendary Super Saiyan that Vegeta brought up when Goku battled Recoome. This being anime-only of course, but still worth noting (Vegeta's monoluge also proved to be a strong foreshadowing to the Golden Oozaru later seen in GT). They both let out a great scream as the planets they're on blow up right beneath them. Of course, it's later revealed in the Trunks saga that Frieza's ship wasn't completely destroyed and Goku got back in after his last seen scream, then lucked out and made it into one of the Ginyu pods before the planet went boom. That's just my outlook on the situation.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:49 pm

^ Well said & I agree with you. When Goku sacraficed himself in the Cell Games, Gohan was the strongest on earth at the time. Goku was gonna hand down the title of protector. If Goku were to blow up with Freeza, that means Vegeta wins & kills everyone & rules the universe.

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:34 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:
DBZ MAN wrote:A good question is 'Would of it been a better thing that Goku died along with Namek?'
In that case, no. It would have been overly depressing; a stark contrast from what the Dragonball story in general is about.

The death of Goku in the Cell saga is very different. Please do not even try to compare the two scenarios.

I honestly don't think Toriyama ever planned Goku to blow up along with Namek, and then just end the story. Gohan wasn't ready to take over as defender of the earth, Vegeta was still evil, and it makes no sense to me to make Goku go through all that just to get blown up. No, that would've been a HORRIBLE way to end the story, and I can't imagine how any of you can even consider that to be a good ending. Honorable? Yeah, sure, whatever. But does it work as a Dragonball story? Hell no.

But like I said before, I have no way of getting into the mind of Toriyama. I have no idea what he was planning, and neither do you. So, again, speculation is pointless.

Just throught I'd throw my two cents out there, though.

I think It was said that he did intend to end it after Namek. It makes sense to because it is writton in a heroes code that he must die defending the ones he loves. I think it would have made a much more powerful ending but the dragonballs kind of dilute the idea of the 'no coming back from death' part.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:56 pm

I think Toriyama-sensei never intended to have the Namekseijin revived, that is a sure sign of his continuance. Without Guru back, and Piccolo being killed by Freeza, then Goku dying on Nameksei; Gohan, would be the only remaining of the Z Senshi.

Or, if he intended it to end with Cell, well...I think Cell Saga's ending really could've been a great ending to DBZ...Goku's gone, and his son's continuing his legacy...or something to that...

DBZ MAN · Post by **DBZ MAN** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:32 pm

Vegeta might have still fallen for Bulma and It could of been Trunks, Vegeta and Gohan at the frontline. And then Piccolo might have fused with kami but that would have been the end of the dragonballs.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:34 pm

I think It was said that he did intend to end it after Namek. It makes sense to because it is writton in a heroes code that he must die defending the ones he loves. I think it would have made a much more powerful ending but the dragonballs kind of dilute the idea of the 'no coming back from death' part

But that's what a lot of people like about DB, you can have the dramatic death which causes great anger, but they come back in the end. It wouldn't be a proper DB ending.

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:32 pm

Smooth Criminal wrote:
DBZ MAN wrote:A good question is 'Would of it been a better thing that Goku died along with Namek?'
In that case, no. It would have been overly depressing; a stark contrast from what the Dragonball story in general is about.

On the contrary.

It's not speculation, that Toriyama had tried to place Gohan in the role of protector many times during DBZ's run. (e.g. Namek, Garlic Jr., Cell, Buu sagas)

Although it would have been on a sad note, ending the series after Goku's and Freeza's "death" on Namek would have been right along the direction Toriyama was heading at that time.

As pointed out in a previous post, the fate of the Legendary Super Saiyan would have been fulfilled with Goku dying with Namek, leaving Gohan as protector of Earth. From a story telling stand point it would have made sense. Unfortunatly, the fans were not as accepting of Gohan as Toriyama was.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:13 am

^ How exactly would that look? Vegeta is far stronger than Gohan, Vegeta would have ravaged the earth, Gohan, Piccolo, & the universe.

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