Character derailment

[Ninja Murasaki]

Since I first came here, you've been constantly going about you're hatred of Yamcha. Enough already, you're being annoying and rude.

We're sick of you making excuses for Bulma and Vegeta or saying other characters suck.

No, I don't hate him. As I keep telling you. Repeatedly.

You're the one who is being rude, by constantly ignoring what I say, attacking me over minor things, or putting words in my mouth. Why don't you just knock it off?

Why don't you knock off hating characters you dislike in multiple threads.

We're not interested.

Sheesh, did Yamcha kill your dog or something. Why must you go on about how you hate him all the time?

[Saiga]

Why don't you knock off hating characters you dislike in multiple threads.

We're not interested.

Sheesh, did Yamcha kill your dog or something. Why must you go on about how you hate him all the time?

I don't. Now I'm just convinced that you're trolling.

In the event that you're not, was there really any need to drag this argument into two threads? Yes, both covered the same topic, but here you're just doing the exact same thing as the other: attacking me.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Why don't you knock off hating characters you dislike in multiple threads.

We're not interested.

Sheesh, did Yamcha kill your dog or something. Why must you go on about how you hate him all the time?

I don't. Now I'm just convinced that you're trolling.

In the event that you're not, was there really any need to drag this argument into two threads? Yes, both covered the same topic, but here you're just doing the exact same thing as the other: attacking me.

I'm just asking you stop bringing up your hatred of characters in the series. Why not post in another thread that has things you like rather then go on about characters you hate in threads discussing them?

[Saiga]

I'm just asking you stop bringing up your hatred of characters in the series. Why not post in another thread that has things you like rather then go on about characters you hate in threads discussing them?

Answer me this: Why do you ignore the multiple times I've said that I don't hate him?

[Ninja Murasaki]

I'm just asking you stop bringing up your hatred of characters in the series. Why not post in another thread that has things you like rather then go on about characters you hate in threads discussing them?

Answer me this: Why do you ignore the multiple times I've said that I don't hate him?

Because its contradicted by the multiple posts you make about how he sucks, he cheated and is a horrible person, anyone who disagrees is a moron, and lots of stuff like that.

[Saiga]

Because its contradicted by the multiple posts you make about how he sucks, he cheated and is a horrible person, anyone who disagrees is a moron, and lots of stuff like that.

I've never said that anyone who disagreed is a moron. Never.

And, I've already said that posts about him sucking or being a horrible person aren't serious. Saying he cheated doesn't mean I hate him, any more than saying Tenshinhan broke Yamcha's leg means I hate Ten.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Because its contradicted by the multiple posts you make about how he sucks, he cheated and is a horrible person, anyone who disagrees is a moron, and lots of stuff like that.

I've never said that anyone who disagreed is a moron. Never.

And, I've already said that posts about him sucking or being a horrible person aren't serious. Saying he cheated doesn't mean I hate him, any more than saying Tenshinhan broke Yamcha's leg means I hate Ten.

You've said "They're trying to make like a better person then he really is" and other things like that. You came into this thread from the start to go off about how they're wrong.

You've said he's a horrible person and you're head canon post was just one big rant about him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

OK, no offense, but all of you that say that Yamcha is not a cheater are biased. I've got nothing against the character or his fan-base, but guys, if you are real fans of him (or any other guy), then acknowledge his flaws as well. Having Yamcha the smartest, bravest, and stronger-guy-in-the-universe-if-Goku-wasn't-a-Saiyan... Sorry, but that's not Yamcha that you love, just a fan-character that looks like him. And you should stop taking the jokes about him so seriously. The jokes are satirical, not humiliating. Learn the difference.

You can't prove that Yamcha is not a cheater. End of story. Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha is a cheater. Toriyama himself said that Yamcha is a cheater. And no one said that Yamcha wasn't a cheater.

Yes, Bulma is a bitch. A fucking big bitch. But she never called him a cheater when he was popular with girls at school. Yamcha has already gotten over his fear of women, since the day he started dating with Bulma. There is no proof that he was still afraid of women, and he even had another girlfriend after Bulma. Sure he wanted to get married... when he was 16 years old. He broke up with Bulma when he was about 33 years old. We don't know if he still had the goal (from his teen years) to get married, since he still wasn't married 41 years old, and still not married. Probably wasn't married in when he was 51 as well (the end of the manga).

And that's all I had to say.

[Gaffer Tape]

Which is funny because I've gotten the impression that those so quick to support it are the ones who extremely biased to defend either Blooma or the coveted Blooma/Vegeta pairing. But maybe that's just me.

Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not it's "official" information. That interview changes absolutely nothing since it's always been official information. This is about character derailment. There's no proof that he didn't cheat, but a lot of people it seems (myself included) just find it a completely random, out-of-character remark to make. Is it possible? Sure! Does it make sense? Ehhhhhhhhhh... Does it seem more like a cop-out, hamfisted, pulled-out-of-the-aether (and, by the way, a character trait that's never been shown before and is *never* referenced again) solution to get Yamucha out of the picture and leave Blooma a sympathetic character? You betcha! As I said before, the interview rather strengthens my argument as even the actors who had been playing them for years didn't think it made any sense!

But again, this all comes down to opinion: our opinions on which characters were moved in a direction that didn't make sense given their characters, not whether or not "Toriyama said so." If it all came down to that, this thread wouldn't and couldn't exist. "Vegeta acted like an idiot." "Well, Toriyama wrote it." "Piccolo was a stupid babysitter in the Boo arc." "Well, Toriyama put him there." See what I mean?

[Smochi]

To be honest, I think that the character derailment found in DBZ shows that growing older does not necessarily mean growing "better." Goku, who we at first loved because all he wanted to do was fight and find stronger opponents, later became so obsessed with this goal that you could say he neglected his duties as a father. Gohan, who many people WANTED to be the next Goku, decided that our measly human lives were even cooler than that of a Z warrior's and became a scholar, a decision he is either loved or hated for. Vegeta, a character who we knew as deeply flawed, waivers between noble and evil throughout the series. I think that the times that a character in DBZ is derailed is actually more reminiscent of a real life because we don't always act "in character." Sometimes, our lives' greatest changes are made by acting contrary to how we normally do.

[matt0044]

To be honest, I think that the character derailment found in DBZ shows that growing older does not necessarily mean growing "better." Goku, who we at first loved because all he wanted to do was fight and find stronger opponents, later became so obsessed with this goal that you could say he neglected his duties as a father. Gohan, who many people WANTED to be the next Goku, decided that our measly human lives were even cooler than that of a Z warrior's and became a scholar, a decision he is either loved or hated for. Vegeta, a character who we knew as deeply flawed, waivers between noble and evil throughout the series. I think that the times that a character in DBZ is derailed is actually more reminiscent of a real life because we don't always act "in character." Sometimes, our lives' greatest changes are made by acting contrary to how we normally do.

You know, I honestly wondered this but never know how to form such an argument properly. Props, dude.

[sonikku956]

I'm going to be honest. I think the whole Yamcha cheated on Bulma was a horrible misunderstanding from Bulma's part. She was sure he was cheating on her... you know how she is. Maybe he was helping some Maron-type girl and that wasn't at all good in her book. *shrugs*

Anime does this stuff all the time XD

[Smochi]

I'm going to be honest. I think the whole Yamcha cheated on Bulma was a horrible misunderstanding from Bulma's part. She was sure he was cheating on her... you know how she is. Maybe he was helping some Maron-type girl and that wasn't at all good in her book. *shrugs*

Anime does this stuff all the time XD

Heck, so does life! I can't even count how many times I've seen relationships end because of misunderstandings. Sometimes, even when both parties are innocent, there's no great reveal and everyone continues believing lies. Life goes on, but I wish Yamcha found a special someone!

[Olympian]

OK, no offense, but all of you that say that Yamcha is not a cheater are biased. I've got nothing against the character or his fan-base, but guys, if you are real fans of him (or any other guy), then acknowledge his flaws as well. Having Yamcha the smartest, bravest, and stronger-guy-in-the-universe-if-Goku-wasn't-a-Saiyan... Sorry, but that's not Yamcha that you love, just a fan-character that looks like him. And you should stop taking the jokes about him so seriously. The jokes are satirical, not humiliating. Learn the difference.

When has the fanbase ever presumed to think of the character as the best-end-of-all if not for the Sayians?

The jokes? They are fun. Only thing it bothers me is when a certain fanbase can`t take a joke back because they`r characters are more entiled to be taken "seriously". Or so they think.

You can't prove that Yamcha is not a cheater. End of story. Bulma told Trunks that Yamcha is a cheater. Toriyama himself said that Yamcha is a cheater. And no one said that Yamcha wasn't a cheater.

Toryama also wrote Bulma constantly lusting over other men while actively dating Yamucha, to a point where Oolong of all characters had to call her out on it.

This isn`t about not admitting flaws, if you notice. It`s about how that line contradicts pretty much how the two characters behaved the whole series up to that point. Right up the most recent arc before that line shows up, Yamucha is gigling at Bulma about the prospect of having children. What Toryama did was simple plot need. It had to be Bulma, couldn`t have been anyone else, and since he never resolved - or improved Yamucha`s relationship with Bulma one bit over the years, he was the replacable element.

Yes, Bulma is a bitch. A fucking big bitch. But she never called him a cheater when he was popular with girls at school.

She surely implied as much when she was busy busting his brains out when girls were close to him.

Yamcha has already gotten over his fear of women, since the day he started dating with Bulma. There is no proof that he was still afraid of women, and he even had another girlfriend after Bulma. Sure he wanted to get married... when he was 16 years old. He broke up with Bulma when he was about 33 years old. We don't know if he still had the goal (from his teen years) to get married, since he still wasn't married 41 years old, and still not married. Probably wasn't married in when he was 51 as well (the end of the manga).

I think his reaction to Goku`s line to Bulma after taking of (when he knew she was going to have a child) kind of shows he might have that idea. But that kind of contradicts (again) the fact the author already made clear who was the mother of the new character.

Also this: Goku mentions that everyone thought Yamucha and Bulma would always stay together, so, how much of a well known cheater could he had been, considering Bulma was never one to keep her mouth shut?

Quite frankly, if anything, they broke up because they got fed up with each other. Vegeta is the man for her alright, they have too many similarities in personality terms and a majority of them don`t mesh with someone like Yamucha.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Quite frankly, if anything, they broke up because they got fed up with each other.

The way I imagine it, Yamcha got tired of Bulma always treating him like a bitch, so he went around, found a hot baby, Bulma found him with that hot baby... rest is history.

[Saiga]

When has the fanbase ever presumed to think of the character as the best-end-of-all if not for the Sayians?

Like... always?

[Olympian]

When has the fanbase ever presumed to think of the character as the best-end-of-all if not for the Sayians?

Like... always?

As the best-end-of-all? That includes power level arguments as well as character traits.

[Saiga]

As the best-end-of-all? That includes power level arguments as well as character traits.

From what I've seen, yes.

[SilverArmada]

I think it is character derailment for Yamucha to suddenly be a cheater. We didn't have mention of it in the manga up until that point. That isn't to say it's not canon, or it didn't happen. It DID happen, but it made some of us go "WTF?" and scratch our heads.

[DBZAOTA482]

I think it is character derailment for Yamucha to suddenly be a cheater. We didn't have mention of it in the manga up until that point. That isn't to say it's not canon, or it didn't happen. It DID happen, but it made some of us go "WTF?" and scratch our heads.

Maybe he wanted to escape his harsh reality of a relationship with Bulma.