The Chōzenshū databook thread: speculation, discussion, etc.

[Raykugen]

In pretty disappointed, in the official website they say it will have the information of the daizenshuus 1-7+more information, what it means that it wont have nothing about the GT Perfect Files. I know is not canon, but for me, canonical or not, without information of ALL the anime, isn't a complete encyclopedia.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In pretty disappointed, in the official website they say it will have the information of the daizenshuus 1-7+more information, what it means that it wont have nothing about the GT Perfect Files.

Seeing how the Daizenshuu handled the anime, I guess GT will be mentioned in the last 3 Chozenshuu (Animation Guide Part 1 & 2, and the Dragon Ball Super Encyclopedia). The first Chozenshuu (Story & World Guide) will most likely cover only the manga, since the Daizenshuu books that it's based on cover exclusively the manga.

I know is not canon

GT in neither canon nor non-canon. There is not an official canon in Dragon Ball.

[Raykugen]

In pretty disappointed, in the official website they say it will have the information of the daizenshuus 1-7+more information, what it means that it wont have nothing about the GT Perfect Files.

Seeing how the Daizenshuu handled the anime, I guess GT will be mentioned in the last 3 Chozenshuu (Animation Guide Part 1 & 2, and the Dragon Ball Super Encyclopedia). The first Chozenshuu (Story & World Guide) will most likely cover only the manga, since the Daizenshuu books that it's based on cover exclusively the manga.

I know is not canon

GT in neither canon nor non-canon. There is not an official canon in Dragon Ball.

Nowadays, it looks that for Toei, shueisha or whatever, GT is not canon, they don't do nothing GT related, so maybe for them GT doesn't exists

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Nowadays, it looks that for Toei, shueisha or whatever, GT is not canon, they don't do nothing GT related, so maybe for them GT doesn't exists

That's not true. GT is featured in Budokai 3, Infinite World, Shin Budokai 2, Budokai Tenkaichi 2 & 3, Ultimate Blast, Dragon Battlers, and it's heavily advertised recently in Dragon Ball Heroes. They have also re-released GT Perfect Files, they released the Dragon Box GT, and GT DVD Singles in Japan. The fact that every new material is centered around DBZ, it's because DBZ is most popular and favorable among the fans, compared to GT, which was a failure.

[Raykugen]

Nowadays, it looks that for Toei, shueisha or whatever, GT is not canon, they don't do nothing GT related, so maybe for them GT doesn't exists

That's not true. GT is featured in Budokai 3, Infinite World, Shin Budokai 2, Budokai Tenkaichi 2 & 3, Ultimate Blast, Dragon Battlers, and it's heavily advertised recently in Dragon Ball Heroes. They have also re-released GT Perfect Files, they released the Dragon Box GT, and GT DVD Singles in Japan. The fact that every new material is centered around DBZ, it's because DBZ is most popular and favorable among the fans, compared to GT, which was a failure.

Those are videogames, and card games, from Bandai, not books, anime or manga. And I'm talking about nowadays, not years ago

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Nowadays, it looks that for Toei, shueisha or whatever, GT is not canon, they don't do nothing GT related, so maybe for them GT doesn't exists

That's not true. GT is featured in Budokai 3, Infinite World, Shin Budokai 2, Budokai Tenkaichi 2 & 3, Ultimate Blast, Dragon Battlers, and it's heavily advertised recently in Dragon Ball Heroes. They have also re-released GT Perfect Files, they released the Dragon Box GT, and GT DVD Singles in Japan. The fact that every new material is centered around DBZ, it's because DBZ is most popular and favorable among the fans, compared to GT, which was a failure.

Those are videogames, and card games, from Bandai, not books, anime or manga. And I'm talking about nowadays, not years ago

What I mentioned are recent, and even for DBZ, Shueisha & Toei barely released anything new these years (excluding Kai).

The thing is, GT isn't completely ignored by the official products.

[Herms]

In pretty disappointed, in the official website they say it will have the information of the daizenshuus 1-7+more information, what it means that it wont have nothing about the GT Perfect Files.

We can't know that for sure. The chouzenshuu are described as reprints of the daizenshuu that include additional information that's "come to light" since the daizenshuu were published. GT hadn't started when the daizenshuu came out, so it seems to me that information on GT would naturally fall into the "imformation that's since come to light" category.

[Raykugen]

In pretty disappointed, in the official website they say it will have the information of the daizenshuus 1-7+more information, what it means that it wont have nothing about the GT Perfect Files.

We can't know that for sure. The chouzenshuu are described as reprints of the daizenshuu that include additional information that's "come to light" since the daizenshuu were published. GT hadn't started when the daizenshuu came out, so it seems to me that information on GT would naturally fall into the "imformation that's since come to light" category.

But in the official website you can see the covers of the seven daizenshuus, if they would include GT I think the GT PF should be there, but, well, the Daizenshuu 10 too... Well, it's true, we can't know that for sure

[Kaboom]

Speaking of "new stuff" in the Chozenshuu, what are the odds that the first volume this coming week will severely spoil anything about Battle of Gods? It's a "Story and World" guide, after all, and the movie will surely contain some new places and events. Or is the first volume more likely to be manga-only, with any and all movie-based content being saved for the later volumes? Although the first "Animation" volume is set to launch before the movie premieres, too.

[Herms]

Daizenshuu 2 and 4 both only cover the manga, so I expect Chouzenshuu 1 will be the same and not feature anything BoG-related, except maybe some sort of "coming soon" preview. It'll be interesting to see if they include anything on Episode of Bardock, or the manga version of the JSAT special.

My guess is that Animation Guide Part 1 will focus on the DB/Z TV series, while Part 2 will focus on the movies and specials. Since that'll be the first chouzenshuu released after BoG comes out, it would make sense for them to cover it there.

[Scarz]

I'm hoping the Chozenshu databooks will be the closet I come to actually collecting the Daizenshuu. Can't wait to hear a review on the book once it's out.

And speaking of which, can someone list the sites where I can order the book once it's out, besides Amazon.jp? Just curious.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

A question. Not sure if it's been discussed before, but what is the translation for Chōzenshū? As I recalled, wasn't Daizenshuu translated as "Great Complete Collections"? So going by that, wouldn't the newer databooks be translated as "Super Complete Collections"?

[AnimeMaakuo]

“Chōzenshū” (超全集, “Super Complete Collections”)

"The second largest group of Dragon Ball databooks to date. This condensed four volume collection of hardcover databooks was published to replace and expand upon the now out of print Daizenshuu databooks.”

Sources: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Yep, there's Battle of Gods and Chilled stuff here guys:








Source: http://ameblo.jp/yoyocom69/entry-11462971064.html

*Patiently awaits translations for Battle of Gods villains.

Tell ya' what, these books look fucking fantastic and I feel like I only ever need to own these now.

[Herms]

Ohoho, this is much more than I was expecting.

Here's what the picture of Bilus and Whis says:

The existence of the God of Destruction who governs Earth
The name of the God of Destruction who oversees Earth is Bilus. He awoke after a long 39 year sleep. Since the awakening of [a/the?] God of Destruction means that the planets within [their/his?] administrative zone will be destroyed, there's a danger that Earth will also be destroyed by Bilus.

[Pictures of the pair]
God of Destruction Bilus
Attendant Whis

Notably, "attendant" (tsukibito) is the same word used to describe Mister Popo's relationship to the God of Earth, and Kibito's relationship to Kaioshin; it's where Kibito's name comes from, in fact.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The existence of the God of Destruction who governs Earth
The name of the God of Destruction who oversees Earth is Bilus. He awoke after a long 39 year sleep. Since the awakening of [a/the?] God of Destruction means that the planets within [their/his?] administrative zones will be destroyed, there's a danger that Earth will also be destroyed by Bilus.
God of Destruction Bilus
Attendant Whis

That's definitely intriguing...that makes it sound like there may be more than one God of Destruction if you ask me. Kind of like there are the multiple Kaio and Kaio-shin.

Also, if Whis is just his attendant, then I guess he's not the God of Creation at all, that theory's out the door.

[Herms]

That's definitely intriguing...that makes it sound like there may be more than one God of Destruction if you ask me. Kind of like there are the multiple Kaio and Kaio-shin.

That's what is sounds like. It's not visible in any of the pictures posted, but according to the guy who took those pictures, the book describes the Kaioshin and Hakaishin in this way:

Kaioshin(s)--> Provide the catalyst for life and planets to be born
Hakaishin--> Destroy life and planets
(Earth is within the God of Destruction Bilus' administrative zone. Him awakening means the destruction of his administrative zone.)

The bottom part seems to be a summary of what's seen in the picture with Bilus and Whis; the birth/destruction of life and planets bit echoes what was said in the movie trailer. This all makes it sound like Hakaishin(s) are counterparts to the Kaioshins, somewhat like the Makaio/Makaioshins. Who are also mentioned here: directly above the bit with BIlus and Whis is what seems to be a diagram showing the process by which Kaios and Kaioshins are chosen, as originally outlined by Toriyama in the Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume. It's not all visible in the pictures provided, but I can see it says "those with evil hearts go to the Makaio's". So...pretty much exactly what Toriyama said last time (the "those" in question being Shinjin/Core People), and as vague as before in regards to whether evil Shinjin are the talent pool from which Makaio/Makaioshins are chosen, or simply allies to the Makaio/Makaioshins, who originate in some other way. Hopefully this will be cleared up somewhere else.

Edit: So, this "New World" page that features Bilus and Whis seems to be an entirely new section dedicated to covering the new information released since Daizenshuu 2/4 were published, and not an updated version of Daizenshuu 4's section on the gods. On the right-hand page beneath the picture of East Kaioshin and Kibito is a diagram which is too small and blurry to read all of, but I think it's outlining the "Kaioshin(s) cause life to be born, Hakaishin(s) destroys life" thing. There's the Kaioshins on one side and Hakaishin on the other, with arrows from each appearing to point towards some kind of plant, and from that is a big arrow pointing down to a sign saying "maintains the balance of the universe". Above and to the right there's also the by now standard diagram of the structure of the DB cosmos. It actually looks more like the one in Daizenshuu 7 than the one in 4, with that odd bisecting-discs-with-a-ball-in-the-middle thing that's supposed to illustrate how the DB universe is divided up into north, east, south, and west.

At the top of the left-hand page is (as mentioned before) what seems to be a recap of Toriyama's explanation of how the Kaios and Kaioshins are chosen, originally given in SEG: Character Volume. I love how they're still using the random clip art images for the tree and apple. I guess Toriyama couldn't be bothered to draw up something cool. Come to think of it, if they're still using that generic tree image to illustrate the Kai-Ju/World Tree, then that may mean the tree we've been seeing in the BoG trailers and elsewhere isn't the World Tree after all. In the middle is the thing on Bilus and Whis that I've already covered. Intriguingly, below that is the scene from the manga where (unless I'm greatly mistaken) Goku says the Saiyans were destroyed because they killed innocent people, while Freeza remarks that they were destroyed by him, since he didn't like them. More hints that Freeza is related to Bilus, or just them illustrating that Bilus isn't the only guy who destroys planets?

In the bottom left corner is a purple box labeled...ugh..."something-something God of Destruction's abilities". It seems to have a lot of stuff there, but I can't make anything out.

There's the entirely new interview with Toriyama. The guy posting these pictures doesn't give any details, and I can't really make much out. The pages on Vegeta's various forms and appearances throughout the series look identical to the original Growing Up section in Daizenshuu 2. The big diagram poster showing the various characters and their relationship to each other is based off the one in Daizenshuu 2, but illustrated mostly with images from the Kanzenban covers and other new(er) artwork. It's also been updated at least a little bit, and now includes Chilled and Kreeza as part of Freeza's family (come to think of it, I don't think Freeza was featured on the old poster at all). Not Coola though, I suppose because he's an anime character (even though they included Bilus and Whis in the book).

[Raykugen]

Chilled and Kreeza but not Coola? wtf is this? So in the canon of this books, Bardock is the legendary ssj...

[MagicBox]

I don't think Coola's exclusion is meant to imply any sort of canon or continuity or whatever. As it's been mentioned before, this first volume seems to offer information about the manga exclusively. Apparently spin-off manga stories are included in that, it would seem (whether it's Toriyama's own Neko Majin or "official" spin-off stories by other authors like the Burdock Episode). Coola's just not a manga character.

Of course, it does irk me that Billy and Willy are included, since they fall into the exact same camp as Coola. That inconsistency does annoy me, but hey, they want to promote their new movie, I guess...

[JulieYBM]

Awesome news. I hope Toriyama revealed the name puns in his new interview!