Afterlife?

[SSJFinny]

Why is noone on par or stronger than Goku in the afterlife? It seems to me that some people would have been there for millions of years meaning the would undoubtedly be leagues above Goku. So why is there no master martial artist that way out classes everyone?

[Fox666]

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[SSJFinny]

Could be. I would think though being granted your body, then maybe you have a choice of when. Or it could be a limit of say 10,000 yrs.

[Gokuden]

Why is noone on par or stronger than Goku in the afterlife? It seems to me that some people would have been there for millions of years meaning the would undoubtedly be leagues above Goku. So why is there no master martial artist that way out classes everyone?

Don't worry, as the old saying goes: 'There's always somebody stronger than you out there!'', and if you apply Akira Toriyama's ''There is no true canon, you decide your own...'', there could very well be someone stronger than Goku. I'd imagine the ladder of Gods is still steep.

[CaBrPi]

It seems that everybody would eventually reincarnate, so there maybe nobody stays for so long.

I thought only the bad guys got reincarnated. Hm.

But yeah, I just chalk it up to Goku being a Saiyan, and having gone through everything he did.

[Bussani]

Even though I don't believe that there's a hard limit on becoming stronger in Dragon Ball, I think it does get harder and harder the more powerful you get, and also that there may be limits on what sort of training you can actually handle. So while it's technically possible for someone to keep improving forever, it may be that, even with all the time in the world, catching up with a genius at getting stronger like Goku may be too difficult.

[Marco Polo]

Did Goku actually say that there's no one stronger than him in the afterlife? If he said there's no one "on par" with him for him to try the fusion dance, maybe that actually implies there are people way stronger than him (thus he can't try the fusion dance with them).

[Saiga]

It's pretty much a theme of latter Dragon Ball that the Saiyans have gotten too strong for the rest of the Universe to challenge them, especially Goku. It reminds me about Toriyama's comment about Battle of Gods, where he had run out of ideas for what could be a challenge for the heroes until he thought of the God of Destruction.

[Bussani]

Did Goku actually say that there's no one stronger than him in the afterlife? If he said there's no one "on par" with him for him to try the fusion dance, maybe that actually implies there are people way stronger than him (thus he can't try the fusion dance with them).

He does say that there was no one on par with him. I've never thought of it that way. I guess to me when someone says "no one's on par with me," they don't mean to imply that there are people stronger than them, but maybe it's possible.

Of course, if that were the case, wouldn't Enma be recruiting those people instead of saving Vegeta as a final resort?

[Fox666]

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[JP6GAMER]

Rou Kaioshin also mentioned that Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are the 3 greatest masters in the universe...

When did he say that?

[Fox666]

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[Marco Polo]

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

I can only assume the third one is Gohan.

Well I guess that settles it then... They just happen to be the strongest fighters in history. It's not unheard of in fiction to have the main characters be as special as this.

[Storm101]

I wonder how strong Goku and Vegeta could get after just 100 years of afterlife training... Or maybe they'd reach their limit long before that.