I mean that neither Shueisha nor Toriyama nor anyone officially related said that Neko Majin is a parody of Dragon Ball. In fact, it seems that it's taking place in the same world as the manga, according to the Chozenshuu.Sinestro wrote:What do you mean?
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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You're right. It didn't become a self-parody until Neko Majin Z.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I mean that neither Shueisha nor Toriyama nor anyone officially related said that Neko Majin is a parody of Dragon Ball. In fact, it seems that it's taking place in the same world as the manga, according to the Chozenshuu.Sinestro wrote:What do you mean?
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Nope.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I don't really think it matters if it was ever "officially" stated or not. Was there ever an official statement by Shueisha or Bird Studio that Dragon Ball is about continually getting stronger?
There might be, but I'm unaware of it, and even if there isn't, it still is what it is. There doesn't need to be an official statement in order for Neko Majin Z to be Toriyama's self-parody. That should be clear from the content itself.
There might be, but I'm unaware of it, and even if there isn't, it still is what it is. There doesn't need to be an official statement in order for Neko Majin Z to be Toriyama's self-parody. That should be clear from the content itself.
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It is officially said (via Chozenshuu) that Neko Majin takes place in the same Earth & era as Dragon Ball. So, it's not a self-parody, but a canonical gag story.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again
Implying that those are mutually exclusive.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, it's not a self-parody, but a canonical gag story.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It is officially said (via Chozenshuu) that Neko Majin takes place in the same Earth & era as Dragon Ball. So, it's not a self-parody, but a canonical gag story.
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You're really misinterpreting that. Not only are the two not mutually exclusive, but Neko Majin can't fit within Dragon Ball's continuity, even if it's in the same world.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It is officially said (via Chozenshuu) that Neko Majin takes place in the same Earth & era as Dragon Ball. So, it's not a self-parody, but a canonical gag story.
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I'm the only one who thinks that Neko Majin or Dr. Slump does not exist in the DB universe. Yeah Arale did appear in one chapter, but does not mean that they both exist in the same world. I remember the earth shown in Dr. Slump was different then the Earth in Dragon Ball. Not to mention the Earth was destroyed in Dr. Slump and was back to normal like a page later. In Dragon Ball, planets are gone until they are wish back.
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I agree with this, you're not the only one.Hellspawn28 wrote:I'm the only one who thinks that Neko Majin or Dr. Slump does not exist in the DB universe. Yeah Arale did appear in one chapter, but does not mean that they both exist in the same world. I remember the earth shown in Dr. Slump was different then the Earth in Dragon Ball. Not to mention the Earth was destroyed in Dr. Slump and was back to normal like a page later. In Dragon Ball, planets are gone until they are wish back.
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There is no proof that they live in the same world. Being made by the same creator does not mean that they exist in the same world. Rei and Asuka from Evangelion, Nono and Lal'c from Diebuster are in Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann, which all created by Gainax. But yet no fan has say that those shows exist in the same world as TTGL.
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Anything that isn't discussed on the Kanzenshuu forum. 
Really, this is the only place I think I can about Dragon Ball. All others I used to post seem at this point...unsophisticated and intelectually lacking.
But I guess I am getting off-topic...
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What happens in Dr. Slump & Neko Majin shouldn't be taken seriously. Vegeta's cameo was a gag. Arale destroying the Earth was a gag. Tonijinka and Goku breathing in space was a gag. They should be viewed in a more open minded way.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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No, they shouldn't. They should be viewed for what they really are - different continuities.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What happens in Dr. Slump & Neko Majin shouldn't be taken seriously. Vegeta's cameo was a gag. Arale destroying the Earth was a gag. Tonijinka and Goku breathing in space was a gag. They should be viewed in a more open minded way.
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No one said that Dr. Slump & Neko Majin are canon because they are made by Toriyama.Hellspawn28 wrote:There is no proof that they live in the same world. Being made by the same creator does not mean that they exist in the same world. Rei and Asuka from Evangelion, Nono and Lal'c from Diebuster are in Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann, which all created by Gainax. But yet no fan has say that those shows exist in the same world as TTGL.
We saw Penguin Village, Arale, and the rest of its citizens in both manga, anime, movie, and video game. Daizenshuu mentions that in some places (probably referring to Penguin Village) they use the Christian calendar, it gives description of the Dr. Slump characters that appear, and it even has Penguin Village in the Dragon World map. Even the recent Chozenshuu has information about the Dr. Mashirito & Abale-chan one-shot of the Dr. Slump manga, and it says that it took place in the same Penguin Village that Goku went and fought Blue, and it even gives a description of its location.
Problems that make Dr. Slump unfitting to the Dragon World are the real-world references, and the Earth getting split in 2 (or even 4) and the moon getting destroyed several times, though all of these were gags.
As for Neko Majin, we see Mr. Boo, Oob, Goku & family, all of them post-28th TB, we even see a Saiyan, Freeza's son, and Neko Majin Z is Goku's apprentice. Only Vegeta's cameo makes things go shit, though it was a gag.
Shueisha and Toriyama disagree with you.Saiga wrote:No, they shouldn't. They should be viewed for what they really are - different continuities.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What happens in Dr. Slump & Neko Majin shouldn't be taken seriously. Vegeta's cameo was a gag. Arale destroying the Earth was a gag. Tonijinka and Goku breathing in space was a gag. They should be viewed in a more open minded way.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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No, they don't. You're putting words into their mouths. They never said it was the same continuity - Toriyama hasn't even said anything on the matter.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Shueisha and Toriyama disagree with you.Saiga wrote:No, they shouldn't. They should be viewed for what they really are - different continuities.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:What happens in Dr. Slump & Neko Majin shouldn't be taken seriously. Vegeta's cameo was a gag. Arale destroying the Earth was a gag. Tonijinka and Goku breathing in space was a gag. They should be viewed in a more open minded way.
The same world doesn't have to mean the same continuity. The movies take place in the same world - Dragon World - but not the same continuity. Because they can't. Neko Majin and Dr. Slump simply can't fit into continuity.
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The Penguin Village incident in the manga (by Akira Toriyama) plays an important role to the story.
Chozenshuu (by Shueisha) never said anything about continuities. They just placed them in the same Dragon World along with the manga.
Chozenshuu (by Shueisha) never said anything about continuities. They just placed them in the same Dragon World along with the manga.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Exactly, they haven't. So you can't say that they've said the three manga all share one continuity.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The Penguin Village incident in the manga (by Akira Toriyama) plays an important role to the story.[/code]
And all that tells us is that the Dragon World has its own Penguin Village.
Chozenshuu (by Shueisha) never said anything about continuities. They just placed them in the same Dragon World along with the manga.
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