DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't know about you guys, but the colors from this re-re-re-re-release of the manga will be the canon ones for me.

The full color manga Goku Arc starts with Goku's gi colored blue and Bulma's hair blue/green and then it suddenly changes to Goku's gi colored orange and Bulma's hair purple when they help Turtle and meet Roshi on the beach. The anime is way more consitant than any other media concerning the colors.

I go by the latest colors. The anime colors are for the anime.

[JeffJarrett]

I don't know about you guys, but the colors from this re-re-re-re-release of the manga will be the canon ones for me.

The full color manga Goku Arc starts with Goku's gi colored blue and Bulma's hair blue/green and then it suddenly changes to Goku's gi colored orange and Bulma's hair purple when they help Turtle and meet Roshi on the beach. The anime is way more consitant than any other media concerning the colors.

I go by the latest colors. The anime colors are for the anime.

Goku's gi colored blue and Bulma's hair blue/green are from the manga, the very first Dragon Ball chapter:

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I know. I've seen the colors. And I go by the latest colors, not the ones before them. So, Goku has an orange outfit, and Bulma has purple hair.

[Fox666]

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[hleV]

The parts where early Goku's clothes are colored orange also have a weirdly colored Nyoi-bo and its sheath.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think the "latest" colors are the best choice. You need some judgement to decide which one better represent the manga.

Because that's how Toriyama views it. He changed the colors for a reason. Why follow colors that Toriyama decided not to use anymore? (I'm not talking about Full Color edition now, BTW.)

[hleV]

Kanzenban colors are newer.

[Fox666]

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[DBZGTKOSDH]

Mystery solved! In their YouTube channel, the 4 pictures for each arc have marked:

• Every Tuesday 1 chapter for Son Goku arc
• Every Wednesday 1 chapter for Red Ribbon Army arc
• Every Thursday 1 chapter for Piccolo Daimao arc
• Every Friday 1 chapter for Saiyan arc

Kanzenban colors are newer.

I go by the Full Color Edition. From what I understood, the whole manga has consistent colors in this edition, except for the Son Goku arc (which was released before this project), which was updating its colors whenever Toriyama was changing them in the original run. So, I go by the latest colors in the Son Goku arc, and for the rest of the series, it's what Full Color use.

I don't think the "latest" colors are the best choice. You need some judgement to decide which one better represent the manga.

Because that's how Toriyama views it. He changed the colors for a reason. Why follow colors that Toriyama decided not to use anymore? (I'm not talking about Full Color edition now, BTW.)

I think Toriyama was just forgetfull, he didn't actually decided anything in most of the cases.

For some reason or another, he changed the colors. Either because he forgot, either because he didn't like anymore the previous ones, it doesn't matter.

[Cold Skin]

And in the first chapter, Toriyama even switched the colors of the Nyoï Bo right in the middle of his full color pages, so yeah, consistancy was probably not his main concern nor his main strength!

As for Goku's gi, you can only decide for yourself. The man obviously had a preference for the orange version for pages of the manga itself as soon as chapter 3 came up, and the cover of the whole first Tankobon itself showcases this orange version.
Apart from chapter 1, we've never seen it again during the original run's pages.
However, this could be questionned by the fact that many of his artworks showcase early Goku has wearing blue/purple, and covers for various databooks released in recent years show him as drawing Goku's first clothes as blue once again.
And then, there's the Kanzenban cover where he made clothes with colors totally unrelated to either of those two versions.

So really, there's no definitive answer concerning what Goku's first clothes should be like. It's up to each one of us to decide for themselves.

[linkdude20002001]

Kanzenban colors are newer.

That's after the fact, however. Gokuh having a blue dōgi, and Bulma having green hair, in just the first chapter, is because it's essentially the "pilot" chapter; He didn't finalize the colors till the next color chapter: chapter 3. From chapter 3 till chapter 519, Gokuh has an orange dōgi, and Bulma has violet hair.

And just because I felt like it, I looked up the exact colors. Pretty... ^.^
Gokuh's blue dōgi is Slate Blue.
Gokuh's orange dōgi is Neon Carrot.
Bulma's green hair is Puerto Rico.
Bulma's violet hair is Biloba Flower at the top, and Deep Lilac at the ends.

[hleV]

Goku's initial clothes cannot be orange, because in greyscale they're colored in black.
The Nyoi-bo's sheath cannot be blue, because in greyscale it's not colored in black.

[linkdude20002001]

But...he does color his dōgi orange... It's that way in three chapters. The reason it's black when Toriyama does grey-scale is because he thinks it looks best that way. Full color, red-scale, grey-scale: they all have different limitations, so Toriyama goes with what looks best regardless of consistency (which we all know is not a concern of his).

[hleV]

But...he does color his dōgi orange...

He also does color it blue. Your point?

The reason it's black when Toriyama does grey-scale is because he thinks it looks best that way.

No. Black is for darker colors and white is for brighter ones. Sometimes gray is used for in-between.

[Cold Skin]

Toriyama adapted to the limitations. If restricted by limited pallette or black and white, he changed his ways so that it would look better for that specific format, it's already been shown with many examples, such as Super Saiyan Goku and Super Saiyan 3rd Grade Trunks.
The way he did black and white pages or limited pallette versions has nothing to do with the way he envisionned the character's full colors.

He didn't go to orange Goku in full color pages of chapter 3 to go again with blue for the rest of the chapter, to go again to orange in the next full color pages of chapter 4, to go to blue for subsequent chapters, to go to orange again for the next full color pages when in Pilaf's palace, etc... When he could, he would make it orange, but when it was black and white, he couldn't and found that making it black was a better render for the character, that's all.
To him, for regular manga pages (therefore excluding artworks), Goku undoubtedly wore orange at the time - all the way from the encounter with Umigame to Pilaf's trap -, but he chose that his suit would render better as black when there was no coloring available.

Otherwise, it would be the same as saying Trunks doesn't have purple hair because his hair are depicted as white on black and white pages while Freezer's purple crystals are depicted as black.
Toriyama chooses his black and white palette depending on what generally suits the depiction of the character according to him; regardless of what the full color is supposed to be.

[Herms]

About the original blue hair of Bulma you're right, but that list of V-jump isn't coloured by Toriyama, is something like a poor and bad done colouring with ridiculous colours as the first colours for Vegeta on the anime

That battle power list is from Weekly Jump, not V-Jump (to be exact, it's the Weekly Jump issue that debuted the chapter with Goku and Vegeta's beam struggle). Doesn't really make a difference as far as this topic is concerned, but I keep seeing people make that mistake. And yeah, there's no reason to think Toriyama did the colors for it. There's a long tradition for special features like this and the guidebooks to take originally black and white manga images, color them, and use them as illustrations. These coloring jobs never really seem like Toriyama's handiwork: issues of color selection aside, the actual style of coloring doesn't match Toriyama's color illustration. But I don't think we actually know who does the colors for images like that.

[hleV]

The way he did black and white pages or limited pallette versions has nothing to do with the way he envisionned the character's full colors.

I don't say that AT envisioned the true colors while drawing in grayscale, but rather which colors are darker and which are brighter. One does not simply black in the parts which in full color are supposed to be white, and vice versa. One just doesn't.

Initial dogi - orange in full color - black in grayscale?
Kame dogi - orange in full color - white in grayscale?
This doesn't work, no matter how you look at it. The initial clothes are not not bright (so not orange), get over it.

[Cold Skin]

The way he did black and white pages or limited pallette versions has nothing to do with the way he envisionned the character's full colors.

I don't say that AT envisioned the true colors while drawing in grayscale, but rather which colors are darker and which are brighter. One does not simply black in the parts which in full color are supposed to be white, and vice versa. One just doesn't.

Initial dogi - orange in full color - black in grayscale?
Kame dogi - orange in full color - white in grayscale?
This doesn't work, no matter how you look at it. The initial clothes are not not bright (so not orange), get over it.

If he wanted Goku blue, he would have keep doing him like this. Instead, when he had full liberty to apply the exact colors he wanted, he finally chose that Bulma had purple hair and Goku had an orange gi, and he switches to orange for the rest of the manga run for that outfit. He wanted Goku to be reminiscent of Shaolin Monks, likely before he knew he was going to give him another costume.

When switching to limited palette in chapter 3, even his red wrists turn to grey because his orange suit has to turn to red. Toriyama changes his color schemes to what looks best at the moment he does it, so that every detail stands out despite the limitations he has.
Ten Shin Han's green outfit is depicted as black, Piccolo's green skin and the Super Saiyan eyes are depicted as white.
In the color pages, Ginyu is the exact same purple than Freezer's crystals and Gohan's oufit, yet in black and white pages, his skin is white while Gohan and Freezer's purple elements turn to plain black.
Gero's Red Ribon logo is depicted as white to contrast with his black hat while C-16's Red Ribon logo is depicted as black to contrast with his white armor.
I'm pretty sure you can find many other examples of Toriyama's "I do black and white pictures that way to make it easy to the eyes above all, with sharp contrast between the various details", and the man is entitled to naturally change his style and instinctive decisions as the story goes on.

[linkdude20002001]

I don't say that AT envisioned the true colors while drawing in grayscale, but rather which colors are darker and which are brighter. One does not simply black in the parts which in full color are supposed to be white, and vice versa. One just doesn't.

Initial dogi - orange in full color - black in grayscale?
Kame dogi - orange in full color - white in grayscale?
This doesn't work, no matter how you look at it. The initial clothes are not not bright (so not orange), get over it.

I know that The outfit Gokuh normally wears (initially) is drawn black, and that the outfit the Turtle Sage gives Gokuh and Kulilin is white...but as I've mentioned, Toriyama doesn't care about consistency, so he doesn't check back to see how he did things in past chapters. There's about a three month gap from the chapter Gokuh dōgi is torn to shreds and the chapter the Turtle-Style disciples recieve their new Turtle-Mark dōgi. He forgot he used to draw the orange dōgi as black when doing grey-scale. If you think about it, it makes sense that Gohan would dress Gokuh up the way the Turtle Sage dressed Gohan and the Oc Demon-King up.

[redon]

Got my Full Color Edition Vol. 2 and 3 today (I´ll get Volume 1 later).

I like them but I preffer Kanzenban edition. Colouring is OK but is simple, no much play of light and shadow and no variety of background colors.

Here some pictures.