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by worldmonsters » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:40 am
So... at one point Piccolo and Kami were one, the son of Kotatsu (hope I'm spelling that correctly :p). And at one point the son of Kotatsu split into two beings, one evil and one bad. One Demon King Piccolo and the other the Kami we know. And if you kill one the other one dies too. But then... Goku kills Demon King Piccolo
And even though the Demon King spits out an egg which later becomes Piccolo Jr. that still kind of raises the question... why is it that when Piccolo Jr. is killed so is Kami? Also isn't Piccolo Jr. technically also Kami's son? I only recently realized this and I really don't get it XD Is there any official explanation I missed? :p
Also, if Kami spits out an egg before merging with Piccolo Jr. (I wanted to say merge back again, but... it doesn't really apply, now does it :p) wouldn't he continue to live on inside Kami Jr? Maybe Piccolo Jr. should've spat out an egg before Nappa killed him.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:05 pm
Piccolo (Ma Junior) is the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, not only his son. Piccolo Daimao transfered his soul & memories (and possibly his life-force as well, since Piccolo grew into an adult in 3 years) to his son, so he technically didn't die. He instantly reborned himself.
Piccolo (Ma Junior) however can't do the same trick, because he is a Warrior-type Namekian. Katatz's son/Kami/Piccolo Daimao are Dragon Clan Namekians, and only those of the Dragon Clan can give birth to other Namekians.
And by the way, it's spelled Katatz.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Herms » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:13 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And by the way, it's spelled Katatz.
To be precise, a direct romanization is "Katattsu" (from カタッツ), a pun on one of the Japanese words for snail,
katatsumuri. Elder Muri gets his name from the second half of the word. But
Katattsu can also be romanized as "Katatz", through the same principle that turns
Radittsu into "Raditz".
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by worldmonsters » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:28 pm
Herms wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And by the way, it's spelled Katatz.
To be precise, a direct romanization is "Katattsu" (from カタッツ), a pun on one of the Japanese words for snail,
katatsumuri. Elder Muri gets his name from the second half of the word. But
Katattsu can also be romanized as "Katatz", through the same principle that turns
Radittsu into "Raditz".
Ah I was close :p Thanks Herms for the spelling and DBZGTKOSDH for the explanation. Was that explained in a Daizenshuu or other guide book, or is it more in the direction of speculation and projection?
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:34 pm
worldmonsters wrote:Was that explained in a Daizenshuu or other guide book, or is it more in the direction of speculation and projection?
Piccolo being the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao is stated in the manga, and since he is his reincarnation, it means that they both have the same soul. I don't remember if it was stated that Piccolo had all of Daimao's memories, but he did have at least some of his memories, since he recognized Goku, he knew Daimao's techniques, he could speak the Namekian language, he knew who Kami was, he remembered that "he" had killed Shen Long, he remembered his childhood in Yunzabit, and he remember that he had to take revenge for his father. So, I assume that he had all his memories.
Katatz's son/Kami/Piccolo Daimao belonging to the Dragon Clan and Piccolo being a Warrior-Type is also from the manga, but the Dragon Clan Namekian's being the only ones who can give birth is from the Daizenshuu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:05 pm
Fox666 wrote:But does it meant "reincarnation" in the literal sense?
Since Kami stayed alive & shared the same bond, then I would say yes.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
