Is Fourth Form Coola stronger than Fourth Form Freeza?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I know the English Dub says he isn't, but, somehow I think that's probably not the case in the original dub. Does anyone know if it's mentioned that Freeza was stronger than Cooler's Fourth Form in the Japanese dub? If not, do you think Coola was intended to be stronger than Freeza in both Fourth and Fifth Forms?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I don't think it was mentioned who was the stronger of the two. I'll just say Freeza was likely more powerful than Cooler before he transformed into his final form. Base Goku was kicking his ass, after all.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

He did get possibly get a zenkai in the movie after eating a Senzu, though; also, I hear a lot of fan-theories that Coola wasn't necessarily even using 100-50% power; makes sense, considering his muscle mass doesn't change until after Coola changes.

[Fox666]

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[Kaboom]

Goku only notes that Coola is stronger than Freeza when Coola transformed, which implies he wasn't stronger before. But it is likely, given his physical appearance and how Goku matched up to him, that Coola wasn't pumped up to his own true form's 100% or anything close to it before transforming.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I guess the answer is ambiguous, then. Thanks a lot for your posts, everyone.

[GoKu.SaMa]

There is no doubt about Cooler being stronger than Freeza.

[Herms]

There is no doubt about Cooler being stronger than Freeza.

That wasn't really the question though. The question was if Coola was already stronger than Freeza before transforming into his final form.

[JP6GAMER]

I personally think he was stronger than Frieza in the fourth transformation.

[hleV]

Didn't Coola mention that Freeza had the edge over him until Coola transformed into the 5th form?

[Kaboom]

Didn't Coola mention that Freeza had the edge over him until Coola transformed into the 5th form?

I remember that as a specifically dub-only line. He never compared himself directly to Freeza in the original. Only Goku made such a comparison, but only after Coola transformed.

[Victorious]

Yeah dub only.

It seems they are comparable, 4th form {or True form} Coola and Freeza that is. Considering Coola after getting beaten by base Goku said the power Goku just displayed could have defeated Freeza. Sounds like he's saying "hey you just beat me, you could have beaten Freeza too". And considering it wasnt a total stomp 4th/true form Coola is definitely suggest IMO to rival 4th/true form Freeza. I don't think he's stronger though, because Goku only mentions Freeza's ki has been surpassed when Coola starts transforming into his final form.

Base Goku in movie 5 is basically in range of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.

[Dark Red Z]

He's supposed to be. Otherwise it'd make for a very boring movie, if the weaker brother came to earth.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

He's supposed to be. Otherwise it'd make for a very boring movie, if the weaker brother came to earth.

But it would also have downplayed the battle between 100% Freeza and SSJ Gokuu. I think it can be argued, that, the intended theme was: the same Super Saiya-Jin that Freeza foolishly awoke killed his brother which he also foolishly awoke when they both could have easily stopped it.

[Kaboom]

He's supposed to be. Otherwise it'd make for a very boring movie, if the weaker brother came to earth.

Not if that weaker brother debuted a new transformation that granted him more power than the stronger brother.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'd imagine one would have to put forth effort to attain that forth form so I would imagine Cooler is stronger. I have him at 140,000,000 before transforming and 280,000,000 after.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I'd imagine one would have to put forth effort to attain that forth form so I would imagine Cooler is stronger. I have him at 140,000,000 before transforming and 280,000,000 after.

How about Gokuu before and after eating Senzu after Coola's eye beams and then Super Saiya-Jin?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'd imagine one would have to put forth effort to attain that forth form so I would imagine Cooler is stronger. I have him at 140,000,000 before transforming and 280,000,000 after.

How about Gokuu before and after eating Senzu after Coola's eye beams and then Super Saiya-Jin?

Well I'd imagine Goku's power level prior to that would be around 4,500,000. After the Zenkai I can see it being 6,000,000. So SSJ Goku would be 300,000,000 to Cooler's 280,000,000.

[Fox666]

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[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

^ To be honest, I had a similar theory, once, that, Gokuu's power level was somewhere around Ginyuu Saga, and then his zenkai'd state was post-rejuvenation heal. I had also thought, that, he wasn't necessarily at Ginyuu Saga level, but "forgot" a lot of his power like he did with SSJ or calmed down a lot after Namek, and then Coola's eye beams and the Senzu made him wake up. He basically got the Gohan-SSJ2 syndrome, with my idea.

I'd imagine one would have to put forth effort to attain that forth form so I would imagine Cooler is stronger. I have him at 140,000,000 before transforming and 280,000,000 after.

How about Gokuu before and after eating Senzu after Coola's eye beams and then Super Saiya-Jin?

Well I'd imagine Goku's power level prior to that would be around 4,500,000. After the Zenkai I can see it being 6,000,000. So SSJ Goku would be 300,000,000 to Cooler's 280,000,000.

Thanks for your reply.