Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by hleV » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:09 am

BOG is also a part of "Z", does that mean that SSG is weaker than Bilus?
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by lash » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:13 am

Fox666 wrote:
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MasterVampire wrote:Vegetto we only saw was SSJ.
Surely he could go SSJ2 or SSJ3 if needed putting him higher than SSJGOD
Right???
This fine poster right here knows what the deal is.
But is says "strongest being in history of Z", shouldn't that include Vegetto at full power, even if he didn't actually used that?
No, not really. History in Z means, history of Z. SSJ2 and 3 Vegetto weren't part of that history.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:20 am

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well... Goku really is going to become a god himself... :roll:
which he turned down way back when he was 18 years old (he was 18 in the 23rd tournament, yes?).
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the new movie, where Goku will transform into a Super Saiyan God.
Fox666 wrote:But is says "strongest being in history of Z", shouldn't that include Vegetto at full power, even if he didn't actually used that?
I'm not sure. SS2 & SS3 Vegetto wasn't part of the "History of Z", since he never appeared like this.
hleV wrote:BOG is also a part of "Z", does that mean that SSG is weaker than Bilus?
... No. Birusu is the strongest, until Goku surpasses him with his new form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:38 am

Fox666 wrote:It's not like Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto is a different character from Vegetto...
Yeah, but he never displayed that kind of power during the "History of Z".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by GoKu.SaMa » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:29 am

I think the Super Saiyan God is stronger .
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:45 am

Fox666 wrote:It's not like Vegetto is "weaker" because he never actually transformed in Super Saiyan 3, that's how strong he is. Maybe if it was "the greatest power ever seen" it could exclude Vegetto, but "strongest being" is not so easy.
Well... I don't know, it seems too much for Birusu & SSG Goku to be stronger than SS3 Vegetto, but then again, we haven't seen the power of the Hakaishin yet. We'll see when the movie is out.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:08 am

I would honestly like it if both Birusu and SSJG Goku were nigh Omnipotent. That would be a hell of a way to end the series. 2 God-tier characters duking it out in a fight to the death.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by Silkman3003 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:15 pm

It is stated that Birusu is the strongest character in the history of Z. Not some stupid BS about how he is the strongest villain, or the strongest in the movies. Just that he is the strongest in Z. Thus he is stronger than Buuhan, and the Vegito we saw that owned buu.

Unless this statement is contradicted(which it likely only is if SSJG is stronger than Birusu), it is fact. Whether SSJG Goku is >Birusu waits to be seen though. If he is equal to Birusu, or stronger, then SSJG Goku is>>>>Vegito that we saw that owned buu.You can bring up SSJ2+SSJ3 Vegito, but that's just going to cause a lot more debates that wont get anywhere..

If people want to make up some stuff about how it's an exaggeration or hyperbole, then they can. Just know that they are going against a statement, and it's their job to disprove that statement with evidence.

With that said, I'd love to see SSJG Goku put up an equal fight, or even be slightly stronger than Birusu(but not to the point where Goku can't struggle) And I'd like the G to be permanent. I hate temporary power up's. I'd like something that is permanent to confirm that he would be the strongest Z character of all time, and the strongest unfused warrior. save for Birusu. But that's just my view.

Edit: Hell even a suppressed form of Birusu(by how much I'm not sure) could be stronger than SSJ Vegito. In that case, if Goku, even before attaining G, manages to surpass or be on an equal playing field with that suppressed Birursu, than Goku would be stronger than SSJ Vegito.
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Re: Super Saiyan God <=> Vegetto?

Post by Rocketman » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:15 pm

Why are people not seeing how completely insane it it to go "Goku is stronger than Goku+!".

Why even bother with Fusion if you can just pull another transformation out of your butt?
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:Why are people not seeing how completely insane it it to go "Goku is stronger than Goku+!".

Why even bother with Fusion if you can just pull another transformation out of your butt?
This the last transformation in the series so that is sort of a non-point. This SSJ God too so Its not so insane
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Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:09 am

Rocketman wrote:Why are people not seeing how completely insane it it to go "Goku is stronger than Goku+!".

Why even bother with Fusion if you can just pull another transformation out of your butt?
Maybe 'cause GT already went there?
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:33 pm

Fox666 wrote:It's not like Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto is a different character from Vegetto...
According to what elder Kai tells Goku (before he goes back to Earth) that once Patara fusion powers up, you cannot power down to a previous state, and that the power could potentially be "dangerous" to the body. Gathering this much; it sounds like to me that it could even be a stronger fusion than Gogeta, possibly.

So, we only saw Vegito reach SSJ1 form. I'm not really sure if I should bring up Gogeta, since so far that fusion has only been witnessed in a non-canon movie and in video games. I was going to say whether or not he was SSJ2.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:46 pm

GoKu.SaMa wrote:I think the Super Saiyan God is stronger .
I agree, I heard somewhere that Bills is actually supposed to be superior to Super Vegetto. I know opinions are opinions; but I put Super Vegetto somewhere between 5x - 10x more powerful than Super Buu (Gohan obsorbed). He was literally toying with Buu.

Now, I don't think I should mention Anime version of Vegetto? Because he is way stronger than he was in the Manga, remember him toying with Buu at base form? :crazy: its crazy, right. Now multiply this by 50x (super saiyan), that's at least 50x higher than Super Buuhan.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:49 pm

The SEG seems to suggest Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta. That's well over a difference of 50x IMO.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:54 pm

Well, back to the original point. If Bills is stronger than "all that above" that I just mentioned, this is one tough foe! SSJ3 Goku doesn't hold a candle to him. This also leads me to believe that Super Saiyan God is a higher multiplication than SSJ4, which was only 10x SSJ3. I had the idea of at least maybe 100x or higher? Thoughts?
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:52 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG seems to suggest Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta. That's well over a difference of 50x IMO.
Based on my own personal power level list I put together, I have Gogeta/Gotenks at 100x base, and Vegetto at 1000x base. This seems to be the best multiplier I can come up with for fusions. Anything else doesn't make sense, or at least in my mind.
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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:The SEG seems to suggest Vegetto is Goku x Vegeta. That's well over a difference of 50x IMO.
Based on my own personal power level list I put together, I have Gogeta/Gotenks at 100x base, and Vegetto at 1000x base. This seems to be the best multiplier I can come up with for fusions. Anything else doesn't make sense, or at least in my mind.
I got it to make sense.
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