Gohan Strongest Unfused character.

[hleV]

I wasn't speaking of the 8-10x gap.

[Saiga]

I wasn't speaking of the 8-10x gap.

How weren't you?

[hleV]

How was I?

Placing Goku not far from "Ultimate" Gohan or Gotenks, that's what bad fanaticism is.

Unless "far" from something by your definition means 8-10x stronger/weaker.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Gohan IS the strongest unfused character at the end of Z. Goku fought evenly with reincarinated Kid Boo, the same one SSJ3 Goku fought on the Kaioshin planet. Gohan was stronger than Super Boo who was more powerful than Kid Boo. Of course Gohan would easily win against Goku.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Ssj3 Son Goku > Ultimate Gohan.

By the end of Z, yes. During the Buu saga, hell no.

Gohan IS the strongest unfused character at the end of Z. Goku fought evenly with reincarinated Kid Boo, the same one SSJ3 Goku fought on the Kaioshin planet. Gohan was stronger than Super Boo who was more powerful than Kid Boo. Of course Gohan would easily win against Goku.

Umm what? Gohan lost his mystic form, Battle of Gods says so, so no he isn't. Furthermore I don't see you come to the conclusion that base Goku fighting the reincarnation of Pure Buu means Gohan is superior .

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Don't be presumptous. You don't know anything about the movie until it's released. You don't have any explanation yet. Until then, Gohan is still stronger than SSJ3 Goku. He still wouldn't be able to beat Super Boo. Maybe on even term with him, but not winning against him.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Don't be presumptous. You don't know anything about the movie until it's released. You don't have any explanation yet. Until then, Gohan is still stronger than SSJ3 Goku. He still wouldn't be able to beat Super Boo. Maybe on even term with him, but not winning against him.

Well if you are trying to suggest that Uub is as strong as Pure Buu and Goku was fighting on par with him, Goku is a couple of hells a lot stronger than Super Buu or Gohan was. Even without Goku being that strong he only has to get anything over 10x stronger, IMO, within those 10 years and He'll surpass Gohan, which I think he did. I can practically assure you Gohan no longer has his mystic form.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

[TheMightyOzaru]

And your reason of assuming Gohan lost his Ultimate form is...?

Rou Kaioshin says going SSJ is the wrong way to do things. Since Gohan is going SSJ in this new movie it defies Rou Kaioshins statement and his mystic form altogether which required SSJ to access in the first place. Goku is also the star of the show from the previews with him lasting longer than the others telling me that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than this SSJ Gohan. This tells me Gohan lost his mystic form.

[Rocketman]

What it should tell you is that the movies have a Goku fetish and often make him stronger than everybody else just because he's ~GOKU~.

See: Movies 5-8, when Vegeta is supposed to be the strongest warrior, and 13 where Goku magically is the ONLY ONE despite Gotenks and Mystic Gohan being there.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What it should tell you is that the movies have a Goku fetish and often make him stronger than everybody else just because he's ~GOKU~.

See: Movies 5-8, when Vegeta is supposed to be the strongest warrior, and 13 where Goku magically is the ONLY ONE despite Gotenks and Mystic Gohan being there.

This movie is supposed to be canon so that is sort of a non-point. Toriyama is behind so that bias probably isn't very prevalent.

[VegettoEX]

I personally doubt most people don't bother to read the front page anymore.

I can't parse what you're saying here. Are you saying "most people" do not read the website? Just the home page of the website? Do they just visit the forum and nothing else? They DO read the website and DO read everything that's posted, as opposed to just reading the forum?

'Cuz yeah, I can certainly confirm that PLENTY of people visit the website and have absolutely nothing to do with the forum. Exponentially so.

[JeffJarrett]

From the The All-Purpose "Translation Request" Thread:

Refers to Gohan as having “fantastic power surpassing even Super Saiyan 3” following the Elder Kaioshin’s power-up. From (I think) DB Ultimate Battle Collection Round 02, an anime guidebook.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

While it wasn't directly stated, the manga shows us that Gohan really is the strongest non-merged character in the series. Goku wasn't sure if he could beat Innocent Boo (though later he confirmed that he could), but he was highly confident that Fusion & Super Saiyan combined would be enough to defeat Boo. Piccolo believed that SS Gotenks wouldn't be enough to defeat Evil Boo, but never doubted about Innocent Boo. Gotenks also become stronger after a weak inside the RoSaT, and even managed to transform into a Super Saiyan 3, which made him equal or stronger than Evil Boo. Then, Ultimate Gohan was stated to be stronger than SS3 Gotenks by Goten, Trunks, and even Boo. Ultimate Gohan could easily kick Evil Boo's ass, while Goku said that he & Vegeta had no chances to defeat him, except if they were to use Fusion. And Pure Boo, the only non-merged form of Boo, was slightly weaker than SS3 Goku, since he believed that he could kill him in full power.
So, all these lead me to believe that (non-merged character are darkened) U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > SS Gotenks > SS3 Goku > Innocent Boo > Pure Boo.

[TobyS]

While it wasn't directly stated, the manga shows us that Gohan really is the strongest non-merged character in the series. Goku wasn't sure if he could beat Innocent Boo (though later he confirmed that he could), but he was highly confident that Fusion & Super Saiyan combined would be enough to defeat Boo. Piccolo believed that SS Gotenks wouldn't be enough to defeat Evil Boo, but never doubted about Innocent Boo. Gotenks also become stronger after a weak inside the RoSaT, and even managed to transform into a Super Saiyan 3, which made him equal or stronger than Evil Boo. Then, Ultimate Gohan was stated to be stronger than SS3 Gotenks by Goten, Trunks, and even Boo. Ultimate Gohan could easily kick Evil Boo's ass, while Goku said that he & Vegeta had no chances to defeat him, except if they were to use Fusion. And Pure Boo, the only non-merged form of Boo, was slightly weaker than SS3 Goku, since he believed that he could kill him in full power.
So, all these lead me to believe that (non-merged character are darkened) U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > SS Gotenks > SS3 Goku > Innocent Boo > Pure Boo.

Thanks for putting this so succinctly,

One thing I never really thought too hard about was Innocent Buu > Pure Boo.

So you think West Kaioshin made him stronger than Dai-Kaioshin made him weak?

Because that's what it comes down to.

[JeffJarrett]

One thing I never really thought too hard about was Innocent Buu > Pure Boo.

So you think West Kaioshin made him stronger than Dai-Kaioshin made him weak?

Because that's what it comes down to.

Innocent Buu > Pure Boo means Innocent Boo (Boo + South Kaioshin + Dai-Kaioshin) stronger than Pure Boo (Kid Buu). Also:

Says Boo was weakened by having his absorptions undone. From DB Forever.

[Hellspawn28]

I personally doubt most people don't bother to read the front page anymore.

Just the home page of the website? Do they just visit the forum and nothing else? They DO read the website and DO read everything that's posted, as opposed to just reading the forum?

Yes. It seem sometimes we have people will post the most obvious questions when you can easily find info on the front page. It feels that most new users don't bother reading the guides.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

He WAS the strongest unfused character in Z. In the Majin Buu saga, Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu, whom had fought evenly with SSJ3 Goku, yet Gohan was "toying" around with Super Buu. There is an obvious gap between Goku and Gohan here. Although like others have mentioned, Gohan no longer has this mystic form, so yes he is now probably weaker than Vegeta. Natural order has been restored. LOL

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

While it wasn't directly stated, the manga shows us that Gohan really is the strongest non-merged character in the series. Goku wasn't sure if he could beat Innocent Boo (though later he confirmed that he could), but he was highly confident that Fusion & Super Saiyan combined would be enough to defeat Boo. Piccolo believed that SS Gotenks wouldn't be enough to defeat Evil Boo, but never doubted about Innocent Boo. Gotenks also become stronger after a weak inside the RoSaT, and even managed to transform into a Super Saiyan 3, which made him equal or stronger than Evil Boo. Then, Ultimate Gohan was stated to be stronger than SS3 Gotenks by Goten, Trunks, and even Boo. Ultimate Gohan could easily kick Evil Boo's ass, while Goku said that he & Vegeta had no chances to defeat him, except if they were to use Fusion. And Pure Boo, the only non-merged form of Boo, was slightly weaker than SS3 Goku, since he believed that he could kill him in full power.
So, all these lead me to believe that (non-merged character are darkened) U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > Evil Boo > SS Gotenks > SS3 Goku > Innocent Boo > Pure Boo.

I have a hard time believing Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Goku stated he could have defeated Fat Majin Buu but wanted to give Goten and Trunks a chance at saving the world. Yet when Goku faced Kid Buu, even at full power, wasn't enough. And especially after Kid Buu destroyed Earth, along with his entire FAMILY.. ya think at that point Goku wouldn't hold back, nor would he want to?

[MDSTSSJ]

Other thing, the powers difference in the Boo Saga between SSJ3 Kakarotto y Mystic Gohan is not wide. Many people claim Gohan is 8 to 10 times stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto and that makes me laugh because they have no idea what is to be 8 or 10 times stronger!

That´s bad fanaticism!!

It's not bad fanaticism, it's basing stuff on official Super Saiyan power multipliers. Goku needed SS3 to be a match for Fat Boo, while Gotenks was supposedly strong enough to beat Fat Boo as a SS1 only. Yes, we've never seen it happen, but there's absolutely no reason to go against this heavy implication. And "Ultimate" Gohan is stronger than SS3 Gotenks. Work the numbers and you'll see that both Gotenks and Gohan end up quite a few times stronger than Goku.

Placing Goku not far from "Ultimate" Gohan or Gotenks, that's what bad fanaticism is.

Let's see. I will give my opinion of x times stronger:

Gohan was the most powerful caracter in the Cell saga and the Boo saga which is what we are talking. That's a fact!! At the end of DB Z, no way because 10 years have passed and Gohan has 0 training and Kakarotto has trained hard ( he say that as we read or hear) waiting for Boo reincarnation.

SSJ2 is 2 times stronger that SSJ1. SSJ3 is 4 times stronger than SSJ2. 2 times stronger is a lot of power as we saw in the manga/anime. 4 times stronger is even more superb power and even harder to get.

I personally put Mystic Gohan 2 times stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto and Gotenks SSJ3 1,8 times stronger than SSJ3 Kakarotto. And that's a lot power difference but never so wide like 8 or 10 times stronger.

Vegetto is 6 times stronger and Gogeta 4 times stronger SSJ3 Kakarotto I think. 8 or 10 times stronger is a unimaginable power for fused caracter like Omega Shenron fused with other 6 Dragons. He is 10 times stronger that SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond his limits. And talk about Gogeta SSJ4 ( 2 SSJ4 fused ) is at least 3 or 4 times stronger than Omega Sheron fused; way beyond our imagination.

Hey, GT powers are exaggerated but is what we see there.

I just use a little common sense and don't seek bad discussion

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