Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[SSJ6Goku]

i just read this article about Gohan not being Super Saiyan
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/02/28/go ... e-of-gods/


i read it twice and it did not make any sense to me! We see him in the picture and trailer. hes not super saiyan so is that super saiyan god or is the info wrong?

[VegettoEX]

I have absolutely no idea what you're asking.

[dbzfan7]

Just read the front page. Hooray Gohan has his ultimate potential. I don't care if he gets beat up as long as consistency stands which it may not. For some reason the trailer shows SSJ Goku putting up a better fight then guys like SSJ Gotenks, Majin Boo, and Ultimate Gohan, which is really unrealistic. But only the movie will show it its as clear as the trailer showed.

[SSJ6Goku]

I have absolutely no idea what you're asking.

Was that to me? If so, I'm saying I don't understand that post...It says Gohan is not going to turn into a Super Saiyan yet we see him clearly in the promos as a Super Saiyan. I've read all the quotes too and it doesn't make sense. Is he just saying those are promos that have nothing to do with the movie? or is Gohan a Super Saiyan God?

This one -- > http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/02/28/go ... e-of-gods/

[VegettoEX]

Things can, do, and will change for ALL productions before its finished version. What little we saw of Gohan as a Super Saiyan in that first trailer will either have never been an actual part of the movie, or will have been "fixed" before its final version is done.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

Gohan's in his Ultimate state instead of being SSJ. That's what it's saying, the SSJ stuff was supposedly just for promotional purposes.

Woops, bit late on this.

[MagicBox]

SSJ6Goku, the news post is saying that this image...



... is not going to be in the actual film. The Gohan in this image is just a regular Super Saiyan, not a Super Saiyan God. And we've just learned that he's not going to even be a regular Super Saiyan in the actual movie, so that above shot of Gohan will either be edited to color his hair/eyes black or will be removed from the film altogether.

EDIT: Beaten to it. Twice. But that's okay.

[omegalucas]

I'm starting to wonder if some of those scenes from the first trailer will actually be in the final movie.

I talked about it real briefly on the latest podcast episode, but the second full length trailer -- I felt -- had a noticeable step up in animation from the first one. Like, big time step up. I'm wondering if there simply was not a ton of genuine footage from the movie done yet by the time they needed that first trailer, and some quick shots were animated to be tossed in. Heath even mentioned how Vegeta's aura seemed to be bigger and moved around, so at the very least, special effects and such are/were still being worked on between then and now.

I know it sounds so easy to say now, but the Gohan shot in that first trailer always bugged me. Something about it felt way more Episode of Bardock-quality in terms of animation than other stuff, like Birusu and the egg. I'm sure there are multiple groups working on different shots of the movie, and that could easily explain the disparity, but still... something felt "off" about it, like it wasn't "real" or at least "final".

The great thing is that since it's 2013, we have a total, complete, documented history of every single last aspect of everything relating to the movie...! All we need is another month to go by!

Wow, Mike, it's like you read my mind. Totally agree

[SSJ6Goku]

SSJ6Goku, the news post is saying that this image...



... is not going to be in the actual film. The Gohan in this image is just a regular Super Saiyan, not a Super Saiyan God. And we've just learned that he's not going to even be a regular Super Saiyan in the actual movie, so that above shot of Gohan will either be edited to color his hair/eyes black or will be removed from the film altogether.

EDIT: Beaten to it. Twice. But that's okay.

ohh ok, thanks, that makes sense! Thats disappointing. I was hoping for him to be god! Or at least Ultimate Super Saiyan Gohan!

[goku the krump dancer]

I believe Goku surpassing Ultimate Gohan during the 3 years that passed between Boo's death and BOG is completely possible. I think the problem with most people is that they place the gap between Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku too wide.

Past events prove that your "Power Level" doesn't have to be that much grater than your opponent's in order for you to have a clear advantage. For example, look at Nappa vs Piccolo. Nappa's power was scanned in to be at 4000 and piccolo was what 3,500? and he could barely touch him.

Then with 100% Freeza vs SSJ Goku, Freeza was scanned in at 120 million and he was able to land some decent blows on Goku who was at 150 million.

I don't think Ultimate Gohan is on such a high pedestal that Goku wouldn't even be able to reach and eventually surpass him.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Even after the battle with Freeza, formidable enemies surpassing human knowledge appeared one after the other to face Goku. Though the power-ups received after having wounds healed became small, Goku and co. began using transformations and fusions to increase their battle powers, to the point where they could no longer be measured numerically...

Note
The ending paragraph seems to mostly be a way of explaining why no battle powers are available after the battle with Freeza, saying that past this point battle powers become simply immeasurable. The way the note about near-death power-ups becoming "small" is phrased in Japanese (sukunakunatta), it could either mean that they became small, infrequent, or simply insufficient.

In other words, they became insignificant, while you claim that Goku got a significant boost.

Hmm it also says infrequent or small though so what you claim to be fact isn't so. Like I said before however, Zenkai's may have stopped giving large boost, rather minor boost were had like the Daizenshuu may suggest, but it may also present increases in potential allowing you to grow faster. I'm not implying the Zenkai boost itself was massive at all. In fact I wouldn't go anywhere near a 1.5x boost.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think the problem with most people is that they place the gap between Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku too wide.

There is a very wide difference between them. Goku (who had experienced Fusion, and could guess how strong he would become) expected SS Gotenks to be strong enough to defeat Innocent Boo, while at that time he wasn't sure if he could beat Innocent Boo with SS3 (he confirmed that he could after seeing Pure Boo's power). Gotenks got stronger inside the RoSaT, and even achieved SS3 as well, which would make SS3 Gotenks over 4 times stronger than SS3 Goku. SS3 Gotenks was stated to be at least equal to Evil Boo, while Ultimate Gohan was way stronger than Evil Boo. When Evil Boo absorbed Gotenks & Piccolo, he should be about more than 2 times stronger than he was before, and SS3 Gotenks as well (assuming that his absorption works as an addition). That Boo was also way stronger than Ultimate Gohan. This means that the difference between SS3 Goku & U. Gohan is very big, over 5 times I would say. I don't think that Goku can become 5 times stronger in 2 years of training on Earth, because it has never happened before by just training on Earth.

it may also present increases in potential allowing you to grow faster.

That's based on nothing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have something to base it on actually. Notice how everyone supposedly hit their limits during their training for the androids yet turned around and had there power skyrocket in the ROSAT. My idea that Zenkai's increase potential certainly isn't a baseless one. It can also tie in with the whole Saiyans get stronger as the fight statement. Mum no... Gohan doesn't have to be a lot stronger than Goku. Yeah I abide by a 10x difference myself but that isn't necessarily the case. There is also the ROSAT for Goku... Just throwing that out there....

[Nex Carnifex]

I think it would be more reasonable if Ultimate Gohan and SS3 Goku originally tag team Bils together, to say as if they are around the same power level, since I think it would be a let down if the series reverted back to Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else, since that's getting old T_T

I know the Super Saiyan God transformation will most surely place him at that level, but at least at the start he doesn't need to be better than everyone, that's just boring.

And I also hope maybe Bils has a transformation, maybe one which he covers his body with energy that making his ears look like giant horns and giving him spikes and stuff, currently he looks like a pokemon lol. Perhaps the transformation causes him to lose control of his appetite for destruction, making it even more apocalyptic if he is not stopped.

And after listening to the podcast, I think it would definitely be cool to have the SSG resemble the SS4, it is a cool transformation. I think it could be the SS4 but with glowing red hair all around instead of black and red hair, kind of like SS4 Gogeta but all the fur is glowing. That would be fappable.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I feel like everyone just sets up needlessly complicated rules here. Toriyama did say power levels became immeasurable for a reason. We have no idea how powerful people get within certain time frames. Look at Goku when he trained for Namek. He went from 8,000+ to 90,000 in 6 days... Yeah that may have been under heavy gravity but what's stopping Goku from training under heavy gravity to get much stronger in a very short amount of time? What's stopping Goku from using the ROSAT? I'll tell you, nothing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have something to base it on actually. Notice how everyone supposedly hit their limits during their training for the androids yet turned around and had there power skyrocket in the ROSAT. My idea that Zenkai's increase potential certainly isn't a baseless one. It can also tie in with the whole Saiyans get stronger as the fight statement. Mum no... Gohan doesn't have to be a lot stronger than Goku. Yeah I abide by a 10x difference myself but that isn't necessarily the case. There is also the ROSAT for Goku... Just throwing that out there....

After searching the word "limit" through Ctrl+F in the Strength Checker, the only time that someone talked about reaching his limits was Kuririn on Namek (who was immediately proven wrong, since a second later he got his dormant power unleashed), Goku on his way to Namek realizing that he was wrong that he had reached his limits, and Vegeta right before transforming into a Super Saiyan for the first time (which probably refers that he reached his limit in trying to become a Super Saiyan, not that he couldn't get any stronger).

He went from 8,000+ to 90,000 in 6 days...

That's mainly from the many near-death power-ups.

[Nex Carnifex]

I feel like everyone just sets up needlessly complicated rules here. Toriyama did say power levels became immeasurable for a reason. We have no idea how powerful people get within certain time frames. Look at Goku when he trained for Namek. He went from 8,000+ to 90,000 in 6 days... Yeah that may have been under heavy gravity but what's stopping Goku from training under heavy gravity to get much stronger in a very short amount of time? What's stopping Goku from using the ROSAT? I'll tell you, nothing.

Yeah, I'm sure he could, but its lame when he's the only useful character. That's why GT was lame, I just hope the other characters aren't just there to be slapped aside within 10 seconds of the first battle and that's it.

[AnimeMaakuo]

Hope we get bootleg copies when the movie comes out, even if I have to deal with seeing someone's shadow when they get up to get more popcorn.

According to the scriptwriter, Gohan doesn't transform to SSJ in the actual movie. It seems that they colored Gohan's hair differently only for promotional stuff.

https://twitter.com/yuusukewatanabe/sta ... 7522280448

Fan: しかも悟飯は超サイヤ人になる必要性がないんですが。いい加減なGTスタッフもそうでしたが、完全に忘れてましたよね。老界王神の潜在能力解放を。
Y. Watanabe: あ、あとネタバレになるので、あれなんですが本編では悟飯、スーパーサイヤ人になってませんよ！ ぜひ映画本編でご確認ください！ よろしくお願いします！

Basically goes like:

Fan: Hey, uh, Gohan's a Super Saiyan here, which he shouldn't even need. Seems like the same mistake the GT writers made in forgetting about the Elder Kai Unlock Ability.

Y. Watanabe: Um, right, yeah, no Super Saiyan Gohan!

Now no more talk about fucking Gohan being a Super Saiyan or GT because it's so annoying.

This is the best translation I can give:

Fan: しかも悟飯は超サイヤ人になる必要性がないんですが。
Besides, Gohan needn't have transformed into a Super Saiyan.

いい加減なGTスタッフもそうでしたが、完全に忘れてましたよね。老界王神の潜在能力解放を。
You, as well as Dragon Ball GT's staff, totally forgot about "Old Kai's Unlock Ability".

Y. Watanabe: あ、あとネタバレになるので、あれなんですが
Ah, and I'm afraid this will be a spoiler, but

本編では悟飯、スーパーサイヤ人になってませんよ！
Gohan doesn't turn into a Super Saiyan in this movie!

ぜひ映画本編でご確認ください！
Please see our movie and make sure!

よろしくお願いします！
Thank you in advance!

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have something to base it on actually. Notice how everyone supposedly hit their limits during their training for the androids yet turned around and had there power skyrocket in the ROSAT. My idea that Zenkai's increase potential certainly isn't a baseless one. It can also tie in with the whole Saiyans get stronger as the fight statement. Mum no... Gohan doesn't have to be a lot stronger than Goku. Yeah I abide by a 10x difference myself but that isn't necessarily the case. There is also the ROSAT for Goku... Just throwing that out there....

After searching the word "limit" through Ctrl+F in the Strength Checker, the only time that someone talked about reaching his limits was Kuririn on Namek (who was immediately proven wrong, since a second later he got his dormant power unleashed), Goku on his way to Namek realizing that he was wrong that he had reached his limits, and Vegeta right before transforming into a Super Saiyan for the first time (which probably refers that he reached his limit in trying to become a Super Saiyan, not that he couldn't get any stronger).

He went from 8,000+ to 90,000 in 6 days...

That's mainly from the many near-death power-ups.

There is still the ROSAT, heavier gravity, sparring with Vegeta or Gohan, and still getting Zenkais, however small they may be at this point. Goku has many ways to get stronger in 2 years. If you think Gohan is stronger that's fine but please, don't go around saying "Gohan is best and that's a fact!".

[mikey41]

If Ultimate Gohan is in the movie then why is Goku putting up a better fight? Let alone Vegeta putting up a better fight.